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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 12:46 PM who's done it? what are your thoughts? what all did drew say about it? you can do it 14 times before perm brain damage occurs? or was it 14 pills? what's your favorite slang for it? [rolling, e, x, thizz, there's a lot] have a friend that's gotten into it recently, and wondering your guys opinions. —anfernee |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 1:00 PM ecstasy is so lame. sorry plurry. —stefanie |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 1:00 PM my friend tried to give me some in atlanta. sick. —stefanie |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 1:02 PM also when i was 14 and i went to scotland the older kids i was hanging out with kept saying "eckies" and i really didn't know or understand because they had really thick accents too but apparently it's ectasy. they made fun of me but i don't care. those kids are retarded. —stefanie |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 1:05 PM I heard LSD is coming back. and how do you pronounce this: Methylenedioxymethamphetamine..?
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 1:08 PM Methylenedioxymethamphetamine
meth-el-line. dye-oxy. meth-am-fet-ah-mean.
yay! —lexieho |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 1:09 PM Meth-uh-lean-die-oxy-Methamphetamine —derekho |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Edited Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 1:16 PM ecstasy is so lame. sorry plurry. You probably didnt get real ecstacy. Ive done over 50-60 pills in my life and I am fine. Also, I know several other people who have done the same. Dr Drew is pussy when it comes to this becasue he is so bias. Im gonna go the Adam route and say that it really all depends on your genetic hand. I think im kinda smart and not an addict so I can drop a few pills (spaced out overtime) and be OK overall. I have met others however that do E and are fucking lazy, depressed idiots. BUt, Im pretty sure they were like that before the ecstacy. The E just gave them an excuse to stop caring about life.
Seriously though, Ive heard that the seratonin release in your brain while on ecstacy is about 100 times the seratonin release that occurs in your brain while having sex. ALthough im not sure exactly if tyhis is the case, it sure as hell feels like it.
Also, If you are on anti-depressants or MAOI's, its INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS AND PERHAPS LETHAL to take them in conjunction with ecstacy. This is the only case where I know for a fact that you can do some major damage to yourself. Lastly, If your on other dopamine or seratonin releasing substances, and you take them with ecstacy then the ecstacy wont work. I know people who do coke one day, and try E the next. Appearantly you havent given yourself enough time to reproduce more dopamine and/or seratonin in your brain to get the E to work properly, in which case the E will SUCK. All in all, ecstacy is GREAT. Feels WAY better than sex, or any other drug for that matter. I suggest everyone do it if your not on MAOIs, and, dont do it often. Give yourself a few months break in between. Oh, and take at least 1.5 pills. good rule of thumb is that you should take 1 pill (100 milligrams) per 100 pounds you weigh, but never exceed 250 milligrams. If you have any other questions just go to erowid. —whoisnumbaone |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 1:18 PM You probably didnt get real ecstacy. i have never had ecstasy. period. —stefanie |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 1:41 PM within this next school year, i need to try ecstasy and coke. —mandee |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 1:56 PM i've only heard good things —mandee |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 2:36 PM Meanwhile, Rick James... —catloaf |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 2:36 PM Whois, you're a spazz. If the ecstasy didn't fuck you up you were born this retarded. —MajandraFan |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 2:39 PM Meanwhile, Rick James... And there's nothing I can do. —derekho |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 3:38 PM i hate to start punching holes in stuff you say, but... acutally, THAT'S not true. i LOVE punching holes in stuff you say! Ive done over 50-60 pills in my life and I am fine define "fine". you have no job, no money, no girlfriend, and you live in riverside. sorry buddy. harsh but true. Im gonna go the Adam route and say that it really all depends on your genetic hand. adam was NOT talking about ex (or really ANY hardcore drugs) when he went on jags like that. it was almost exclusively a POT rant; that you can afford to smoke a lot of weed if you are an intelligent person (it'll dull ya a little) but not if you're dumb to begin with (now you're a piece of re barb.) in fact, they stated many, many times over the years (BOTH of them) that ex, acid, and meth are the ones to REALLY stay away from, regardless. they have the potential to do the most damage with the least exposure (ex and acid especially). I think im kinda smart and not an addict i'm not going to call you dumb, because you're not, but an addict? you better beLIEVE you're an addict. you fit the criteria. -continued use in the face of negative consequences
-genetic history of addiction
-trauma history presto. i know i sound harsh, but i wouldn't be a good friend if i just nodded my head and went along with what you are saying. and finally.... ...Feels WAY better than sex categorically untrue. they both feel great, they're just different. there's a whole element of a sort of "triumph" that makes sex great along with just the pure feeling it gives you; anyone can just pop a pill but precious few can bed a cutie. i've done ex twice, both with whois. once was lame, i felt nothing. bad ex, apparently. the other time, HO man. it was unreal. very, very intense, and a unique feeling unlike any other i've had before or since. but, as i've stated to you many times since then, it scared the hell out of me. i could FEEL my brain flooding my body with good stuff. for hours. it only stands to reason that you CAN'T do that in nature. so, so much good at once = emptiness later. plain and simple. remember, NO FREE LUNCHES IN NATURE. there is ALWAYS a fiddler to pay. i think everyone on this board has learned that. there are young, impressionable people that read this stuff. maybe not MY stuff, but they read yours (for novelty purposes, of course). i just don't like some of what you say in regards to drugs in general and that was my response. so there. —airking32 |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM not to nitpick, but it's not "re barb," it's "re-bar." have you ever seen those iron bars used to reinforce cement?
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 3:47 PM absolutely. i know what re-bar is, apparently i just didn't know how to spell it. always thought it was re-barb.
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 3:50 PM I read every word of the entire thread, and I really appreciate the responses, thanks guys, I will pass the info along to the e-crazed friend. Don't want him to turn into an E-tard. —anfernee |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 3:55 PM a fiddler to pay? is that really the saying? lol thank god for the reality check. —stefanie |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 3:56 PM duh, stefanie! this IS a LOVELINE board, right? "pay the fiddler" was most definitely a favorite ism of the boys. —airking32 |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Edited Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 4:10 PM Whatever Airking, I have no job because Im taking 23 units in school, and have been since Sep. No money cuz I have no job, duh. No girlfriend because I have NO MONEY, duh. I live in Riverside because I go to school here, duh. So no, im not doing bad, Im doing pretty good.
I will agree that Adam did specifically say the genetic hand thing about the pot, but I think it applies to E too.
As far as the addict thing, I have NO family history of addiction. MAYBE my cousin but thats it, MAYBE. Continue to use in the face of negative consequences? Eh, sure. What trauma history? My dad was never around but everyone who listens to the show knows that a dad leaving doesn't affect a guy the way it affects a girl, and last i checked, I have a penis. My brain is fine. I do E like 3-4 times a year. I know where Im getting it from, and I know how to use it safely. I will agree about the fact that the feeling of "triumph" during sex ads to its pleasure, especially to the ego, but I still say that PHYSICALLY, E is way better. Drinking alcohol is not safe, and it destroys your liver. But alcohol can be used safely. Like alcohol, E is not safe per-say, but it can be used safely.
LSD, stay away from it. Well, maybe try it once. But thats it.
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 4:10 PM Continue to use in the face of negative consequences? Eh, sure. EH??? don't make me elaborate with specifics, for YOUR sake. —airking32 |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 4:11 PM
Edited Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 4:13 PM I know I have trouble maintaining sometimes. Especially when I eat pancake size cookies with 10 blunts worth of pot in them. FUCK THAT
And jail was a consequence of being a moron, not an addict.
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 4:18 PM trouble maintaining THIS, imo, is esentially the definition of alcoholism. 
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Edited Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 4:19 PM that's a terrible picture. it makes you look fatter than you are. :/ —stefanie |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 4:22 PM it's a cool rvca shirt though, i like the writing in the Jack daniels style white on black. —anfernee |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 4:24 PM ^ thanx Airking is on a high horse because he has NEVER blacked out drunk. he is prolly one of the only people I know who has never blacked out. —whoisnumbaone |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 6:01 PM Way back in the heyday of the rave scene someone gave me ecstasy at a club. I went down there with some people after work and one of the guys scored some ecstasy. He gave me a pill and insisted I take it since he "bought it for me." To shut him up, I told him I did and pretended to be fucked up for the rest of the night. I watched him and he looked pretty retarded. The good part was that I did get to feel up some nice ladies while I was "high," and I enjoyed that, so really who needs it? you can do it 14 times before perm brain damage occurs? Well it of course depends on where you start from. Your friend should likely remove the tens digit. Ive done over 50-60 pills in my life and I am fine. Let's all pause to enjoy that statement. I know airking already took the piss out of the whole thing, but it really is a beauty because the fact that you actually can say that disproves your point immediately. within this next school year, i need to try ecstasy and coke. — mandee Fuck, mandee, stop trying so hard to be cool & edgy. I'd like to think you're above some of the tards here, but shit like that drops you down to a sad level. —Beat It! |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 6:49 PM Fuck, mandee, stop trying so hard to be cool & edgy. I'd like to think you're above some of the tards here, but shit like that drops you down to a sad level. QFT and props to Beat It! for saying it. —catloaf |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 7:04 PM whatever.... mandee wanting to try some drugs has nothing to do with trying being edgy or cool. Cant somebody just be curious? If you choose not to do drugs thats on you. not good nor bad, its simply a preference. I think there is something wrong with being an addict for sure, but if you just want to see what all the fuss is about, maybe do some ecstacy a few times, or do some blow off some strippers titty in Vegas, then WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CARES?!?!?!
besides, a drug is a drug. although there is a significant difference between lets say, pot and coke, is there really a difference between coke and speed or e? Isn't that like saying "oh ill drink tequila, but i wont go anywhere NEAR whiskey..." Stupid logic I think.
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 7:18 PM First off, mandee, look who's on the side of drugs. Does the phrase "lying down with dogs" mean anything? Actually, I don't have a problem with drugs (legalize them, please), I just believe it's largely for idiots and losers. For most people ^ that's fine since I expect nothing from them and that's generally what they deliver. However there are some people who I hold in higher regard or who have more to offer society and it's just sad that they feel the need to dumb themselves down in that manner. And generally curiosity is one of the lesser reasons people use - it's for an escape, or to be cool, or a need to fit in, or try to emulate someone else and os on. Misery of course loves company, so I can see why you'd work extra hard to disprove people who are negative on drugs. —Beat It! |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 7:33 PM
Edited Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 7:50 PM Well, i cant argue with that.
personally, now that Ive tried a few drugs Im not curious anymore. And I will agree that the reason I do drugs now (including smoking pot, I do drugs about 1nce every month or two) is to escape. I don't escape because I'm "depressed" or in "pain," I escape from the stress which is my life. So much school, so much work, sometimes I just wanna get high and forget about everything. Pehaps just to enjoy myself, maybe like beating off? I know I could go listen to classical music or go on a jog or somehting but poppin an E pill is much easier and feels awesome.
Drugs aren't for everyone, the same way that some people shouldnt drink, and others need to stay away from buffet lines. Beat it, you bring up a very good point ^ and I cannot disagree with your reasoning. I just think that for SOME people droppin a pill or doin a line a few times a year doesnt hurt. BUt your comment does make me think.
EDIT: btw, BIG difference between someone wo does drugs on a regular basis, and someone who uses recreationally. Ive known a few deadbeat druggies in my life and they are scary people.
I went through a tweaking phase when I was like 19 or 20 and I remember sitting at my dealers house waiting for HIS dealer to come through so we could all get high. I distinctly remember looking around the room and seing about 6 or 7 people all fidgeting with laptops and playing video games and thinking to myslef "you are the company you keep." I was disgusted with myslef. I stood up, grabbed my keys and told by "friends" that i was going to the store. I drove away and never looked back. I realized then that that shit was gross and that I could end up being a deadbeat looser for the rest of my life. FUCK THAT. My life is too valuable to smoke away. That being said, I stay away from people who do drugs regularly. theres something about a persons personality when they do drugs regularly that isnt right. They dont think on the same plane we all think. regardless of how productive they may be in their daily lives, there is something "off" about the way they associate with the world and other people. I know this, and although I like to escape every now and again, It really depresses me to see addicts. Some can argue "well why dont u stop then Miguel?" and I say, for what reason? im not on probation, i get my shit done, i dont do it regualry, and I enjoy it.... why dont you quit smoking cigarettes? a daily cigarette smoker does MUCH more harm to themselves than my every other month drug use. Take it for whatever you want. call me an addict or not. I know my own reasons, and I know I am flawed on many levels. But im alright now, im healthy, and I am steadily progressing im my goals. So eh, good times. —whoisnumbaone |
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Tuesday, June 10, 2008 at 9:07 PM anfernee, it makes you very sad the next day. The end. —jezebel |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 1:08 AM yeah i know =/ whatever.... mandee wanting to try some drugs has nothing to do with trying being edgy or cool. Cant somebody just be curious? If you choose not to do drugs thats on you. not good nor bad, its simply a preference. I think there is something wrong with being an addict for sure, but if you just want to see what all the fuss is about, maybe do some ecstacy a few times, or do some blow off some strippers titty in Vegas, then WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CARES?!?!?!
I agree with him on this point.
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 2:33 AM
Edited Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 2:34 AM i have to agree too, unless you have a family history of addiction, or are on scrip meds EDIT: or should be —jizzgrenade |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 5:07 AM i don't get this whole "i just want to try it" reasoning. it's absolutely terrifying. i've gotten high a few times and a huge part of it was i was incredibly depressed. it kind of sucked tbh. —stefanie |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 7:56 AM i have to agree too, unless you have a family history of addiction, or are on scrip meds I don't agree--it's something normal that young/stupid people do and hopefully get over. If you're in you mid twenties and always looking forward to the next high it's pretty sad. I've now just described half of my male friends. —bguirk |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 9:49 AM I could go listen to classical music or go on a jog Both of which would probably be better for your brain than doing E. I've only gotten high once and it was an unexciting experience. —drakeguy19 |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Edited Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 10:08 AM i am on several medications. i have no addictions, except to these medications because if i don't take them, i get really sick. i'm just curious and want to try it once. i haven't done any "hard drugs". i smoke pot about once or twice a week when i'm at school, but i haven't at all this summer. i've done vicodin,percocet,etc, but they were prescribed to me. and i've done mushrooms once. i'm not going crazy with the drugs here. don't hate. —mandee |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 10:38 AM plurry, why aren't you and I more involved in this conversation? —jezebel |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 10:38 AM don't hate. —mandee no hate here--trying out drugs is normal. you aren't trying them out anymore at 25--you're a user. that's fine too, but it's sad. —bguirk |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 10:42 AM i wasn't hatin' at all, just the opposite. i feel you have enormous potential, i can seriously see you making a name for yourself. on the other hand, you are impulsive and tend to make decisions that can be potentially harmful to you. but, yanno, i'm a mommy, i worry about ya. —catloaf |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 10:47 AM Will you be my mom too? You don't have to worry about me, just bake me cookies and bail me out of jail and stuff? —jezebel |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 10:48 AM can i just buy cookies instead? —catloaf |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 10:49 AM i mean, you know, i'll buy them with love —catloaf |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 10:56 AM <3 catloaf. i'm sick. take care of me. —stefanie |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:00 AM are you sick because of the ant encounter or is it something else? —catloaf |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:04 AM last night when i was hungry. my dad made hamburgers out of ground beef but i don't think he cooked it all the way. i keep throwing up. —stefanie |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:04 AM i can seriously see you making a name for yourself. on the other hand, you are impulsive and tend to make decisions that can be potentially harmful to you. QFT. I too see TREMENDOUS potential in Mandee. But I dont think trying a few drugs is gonna do any real harm to her. She seems fairly strong willed and confident and therefore I wouldnt think she is the type of person to go nuts with the drugs. BUT, Im warning you Mandee. DO NOT TAKE ECSTACY IS YOU ARE ON ANTI-DEPRESSANTS OR MAOI'S. IT CAN BE VERY HARMFUL, AND POSSIBLY FATAL. CONTRAINDICATIONS:
Do not take MDMA if you are currently taking prescription MAOIs. MAOIs are most commonly found in the prescription anti-depressants Nardil (phenelzine), Parnate (tranylcypromine), Marplan (isocarboxazid), Eldepryl (l-deprenyl), and Aurorix / Manerix (moclobemide). Ayahuasca also contains MAOIs (harmine and harmaline). MDMA and MAOIs are a potentially dangerous combination. Avoid taking MDMA if you are currently using the protease inhibitor Ritonavir. This may be a life-threatening combination. Individuals with a history of heart ailments, high blood pressure, aneurism or stroke, glaucoma, hepatic (liver) or renal (kidney) disorders, or hypoglycemia may be at higher risk. Special consideration should be taken when combining MDMA & Viagra. Avoid other strong stimulants in combination with MDMA. MDMA use can exacerbate depression in some users and cause depressions with heavy or frequent use. -taken from erowid- —whoisnumbaone |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:07 AM I like the soft chocolate chunk cookies the best, is that OK? And if they have no dairy or eggs, that's even awesomer. plurry, I need you to ship me X, stat. Can you ship things like that overseas and overnight? —jezebel |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Edited Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:20 AM This is taken from a paper I wrote on the subject a few years ago. And YES, I realize that by posting it I run the risk of being scrutinized for my writing style, source reliability, and overall dumbassedness. i did write it my freshman yr in college though so it was like 7 years ago. Ive gotten much better since then. I have included the annotated bibliorgaphy to prevent source scrutiny, but its innevitable. anyone can criticize any soucre if they choose to. One of the most controversial psychoactives today is MDMA. The controversy stems from a division between doctors and therapists on whether or not MDMA can be a useful tool. MDMA is actually a form of methamphetamine. Its chemical name is 3-4 methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA). “First synthesized and patented by Merck Pharmaceuticals in 1912, but it wasn’t until the mid 1970’s that reports of ecstasy being used as a recreational drug came to be” (Taylor). Today, ecstasy is one of the most common used recreational street drugs in the world. Regular doses are between 80-120 mg, and unlike most psycho actives such as psilocybin (magic mushrooms) and LSD, the effects of ecstasy are seen fairly quickly, usually ranging between 30-60 minutes depending on the contents already present in the stomach and blood (Taylor). Although usually taken orally, ecstasy can also be snorted for what most users consider to be a better “body high.” “With the initial effects of taking a regular dose of Ecstasy, users are likely to find that suddenly everything is right with the world. The primary effects sought by those using MDMA recreationally are the emotional openness, euphoria, stimulation, reduction of critical and cynical thoughts, and decrease of inhibitions that can accompany its use” (Taylor). The effects of pure ecstasy are usually between 3-4 hours. However, since ecstasy is commonly found as a street drug, it is very hard to tell what the exact effects will be to the user since street ecstasy is rarely pure, containing a wide range of other drugs such as heroin, meth, mda, and the very dangerous dxm (Taylor). MDMA affects the user by increasing the serotonin levels between the synapse in the brain (Taylor). Serotonin is one of the main neurotransmitters found in the brain that is responsible for the emotions and feelings of pleasure. Therefore, since MDMA overloads the synapse (the connection between brain cells that make communication between neurons possible) with massive amounts of the neurotransmitters like serotonin, the effects of ecstasy are most commonly associated with extreme amounts of pleasure, euphoria, and overall well-being (Taylor). As it stands now, MDMA is considered by most scientists to be a neurotoxin (Spartos). The main reason for this is because studies have shown that there is a significant decrease of serotonin levels in the brain for up to 2 weeks after the drug is taken (Taylor). Therefore, because there is a loss of serotonin, the deficiency may lead the user to feel somewhat depressed for the following weeks while the brain is recovering from the change. This lack of serotonin may lead to changes in the overall makeup of the serotogenic receptors, therefore making ecstasy a neurotoxin by definition. However, despite the known toxicity reports, a 2001 MDMA Neurotoxicity study done by Matthew Baggott, BA, and John Mendelson, MD(considered to be the most comprehensive and dependable study done to date), found that although MDMA does cause seretogenic changes in the brain, there is no definitive evidence suggesting that this leads to any long-term damage (Spartos). Despite the many dangers associated with taking ecstasy, there are still a large number of people across the globe that takes MDMA recreationally, who never seem to have any major health related problems (Spartos). Since MDMA increases the levels of serotonin, not only does it produce an utterly intense sense of pleasure and well being, but it also helps relieve pain, stress, anxiety, and depression and promotes strong feelings of empathy. Because of this, many researchers and supporters of ecstasy like MAPS(Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) are pushing for more research on the psychological benefits that MDMA can offer. The main benefit of MDMA that calls for more research is its unparalleled ability to make users feel extremely comfortable with themselves and their surroundings, which can help, many (Spartos). Due to the petitioning and lobbying that organizations like MAPS have done, the FDA approved the first ever U.S. study of MDMA as a helpful medicine in November of 2001(Spartos). The study will take place at the Medical University of South-Carolina, and will focus on measuring the effectiveness of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for post-traumatic stress disorder (Spartos).
“Research supporters believe that MDMA’s ability to “open people up”, coupled with its ability to make the user feel comfortable with their surroundings, can aid people suffering from PTSD to discuss troubling events that they would otherwise have a very hard time talking about” (Spartos).
“After the session I found immediate relief. The MDMA allowed me to look at experiences otherwise too painful. I was able to rationally observe my behavior” (Spartos). Its sessions and experiences like this that has prompted some therapists to argue, “MDMA could help patients accomplish in a couple of sessions which would otherwise take years” (Spartos).
Works Cited
DEA, U.S. dept of Justice. Description of Federal controlled substances. 20 Apr. 2005 This source was useful because it provided me with the exact laws for each drug I was researching. It also provided me with the definition on scheduling and classification of drugs in each schedule. This ultimately helped me write my thesis and main point. Erowid, Fire. Psychoactives in History. 20 Apr. 2005 < http://www.erowid.
org/psychoactives/history/history_article1.shtml> This was only partially useful to me. The only information I took from here was in my introduction where I gave some background on the history of psycho actives. Ibog. Ibogaine FAQ. 20 Apr. 2005 This site on erowid.org was perhaps one of the most useful sources I had. For some reason getting information for Ibogaine is very difficult, and quality unbiased information is even more rare. At first one might think that this source might be questionable because it came from an anonymous writer, but since its on erowid, the most respected psychoactive research site, its very trustworthy. Judd, Barbara E. Ibogaine, psychotherapy, and the treatment of substance related disorders. 20 Apr. 2005 This source surprised me because when I first started researching Ibogaine I was unaware that there have already been well-documented studies on the properties of Ibogaine as a chemical interrupter. This made my task of proving its usefulness alot easier because I now had factual evidence to back up my conclusion, rather than just hypothetical reasons to back me up. Spartos, Carla. “Prescription: Euphoria.” Proquest. 10 Mar.2004. West Valley College.
20 Apr. 2005 did=103202475&sid=6&Fmt=3&clientId=15377&RQT=309&VName=PQ>This was one of the first sources that I consulted. This was the most thorough analysis of using MDMA as a therapeutic tool that I could find. This also made it a lot easier for me to provide evidence to back up my claim of MDMA being a beneficial drug. Spartos, Carla. “The Ecstasy Factor.” Proquest. 10 Mar.2004. West Valley College.
20 Apr. 2005 did=585131181&sid=3&Fmt=4&clientId=15377&RQT=309&VName=PQ>Although not extremely useful, I did manage to pull out some good information from here about the history that MDMA has of being studied as a neurotoxin. I was actually aiming at finding information about its benefits, but the counter point of vies is also very helpful to give me a better understanding of the whole picture. Strassman M.D., Rick. DMT: the spirit molecule. Park Street Press, 2001 This was a book that I read my senior year in high school. This was perhaps the most helpful source in helping me understand why it is so difficult to obtain permission form the government to study psycho actives. Reading this book ultimately led to choosing the thesis that I did, because I am a strong believer that we should research all of our options when it come to not only health, but our lives. Taylor, Jon M. MDMA frequently-asked-questions. 20 Apr. 2005 http://www.erowid .org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq.shtml As far as getting background information on MDMA, this FAQ page is the most useful and comprehensive information page on MDMA on the entire World Wide Web. Once again this site was available on erowid.org.
Fot those of you who have tried E, you can attest to the fact that it indeed does help you open up, and can be EXTREMELY beneficial in a therapy setting. or at a rave.
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:19 AM Are there holes in my brain? —jezebel |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Edited Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:39 AM it doesn't necessarily do physical damage to your brain, but it dulls the pleasure sensors, and can lead to general depression Throughout history, depression was thought of simply as a flawed character condition. Fifty years ago, pharmaceutical treatments for depression did not exist. A major breakthrough occurred in 1974, when a study by scientists at Eli Lilly and Company concluded that a cause of depression is a chemical imbalance manifested by a malfunctioning serotogenic system http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro99/web1/Berman.html —jizzgrenade |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:39 AM ^ Temporarily, but if you do it over and over again with no breaks then I guess you could never give yourself enough time to rebuild the "pleasure sensors" in which case, yes it can be harmful. —whoisnumbaone |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:45 AM once i accidentally snorted a grape pixie stix. is that a bad thing? —pookie |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:50 AM you know, my mom never allowed me to have pixie stix because she was afraid i'd choke on the powder. ABUSE! —catloaf |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:54 AM My mom took away all of my pixies stix at halloween because she said that poeple ut drugs in them to "trick" kids into doing drugs. Now that Im an adult, and have done drugs i think to myslef that no drug user would ever waste precious drugs on a fuckin kid. DUMB —whoisnumbaone |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 12:20 PM Nah no hate here, more pity and a little bit sad that some people here are less than I thought they were (most of the "what's the problem?" crowd though fit into the "I don't expect anything from them anyway" category). I agree with bguirk that it becomes increasingly pathetic as you age. And generally curiosity is one of the lesser reasons people use - it's for an escape, or to be cool, or a need to fit in, or try to emulate someone else... So far all of the "drug curious" people have fit into these categories. Of course, it's just a coincidence I know, because you're all individuals and it has nothing to do with anything in your lives. I think once you get into harder drugs it moves way beyond the curiosity factor. Personally, for hard drugs I draw the line at cocaine (pun acknowledged), but of course it's completely subjective. I've only smoked pot a handful of times (I just made me get more up in my own head than usual so I didn't really see the point) and that's it. When I was bartending, I had access to pretty much any drug. I was also living with two complete pothead roommates who smoked out daily along with their monthly acid trips and mushroom forays. But none of it appealed to me. I didn't have a problem with them doing it (they didn't have much potential to waste so I could see why they would need drugs as an enhancement in their lives) but I did see the desperation, the lethargy, the paranoia, the depression and the dependency. But hey, whatever gets you through the day, I guess...mazel tov, mandee. —Beat It! |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 12:24 PM I just made me get more up in my own head than usual so I didn't really see the point) i agree with this so much. i think i wrote mf an email saying this exact thing. —stefanie |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 2:11 PM no hate here--trying out drugs is normal. you aren't trying them out anymore at 25--you're a user. that's fine too, but it's sad. who's 25? geez. i said i wanted to TRY it and now everyone is all oh noes you've wasted your life, you're an addict. i haven't even done anything. my throat hurts. it's like i yelled through the internets. —mandee |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 2:23 PM
Edited Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 2:27 PM i said i wanted to TRY it and now everyone is all oh noes you've wasted your life, you're an addict. Well, that's a bit of an overly dramatic way to put it since no one really said that. No to mention the fact that not every comment was directed at you. Settle down, Miss It's All About Me. —Beat It! |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 2:39 PM well, that's another problem. it should be all about me. why isn't everyone talking about me? my name wasn't mentioned in the newspapers once this whole week! i feel like shirley temple. —mandee |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 3:19 PM Press-ganged sailors were tamed by alcohol rations.
What a parallel to modern life! Everyone Says I Love You was on tv this morning. Boy, Natasha Lyonne managed her life well. Who wants to be fresh and healthy anyway? —MajandraFan |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 5:53 PM Grabbed off of merchant ships and forced into service. —derekho |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 5:56 PM e sure is fun. you're trading three or four hours (per pill) of awesomeness for twenty four hours of feeling flat, slightly sad and generally crappy.
but those three/four hours.. wow
every time i took that drug, it was the best i've ever felt in my life times one hundred. but that certainly isn't everyone's experience. i won't do it anymore (bummer) because i've done the most i feel i could ever get away with. same thing with acid or shrooms.
good acid kicks shroom's ass, btw. ...for the love of god, stay away from acid, mandee. —plurry |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 6:13 PM Ha I'm glad I made this thread, a lot of gems in this one, especially from whoisnumbaone, solid posting buddy. I've only gotten high once and it was an unexciting experience. - BCB Um, does anyone else remember drake blowing hard about getting high a lot and how great it was, and saying it was better than drinking?
Will you be my mom too? You don't have to worry about me, just bake me cookies and bail me out of jail and stuff?
ahaha, I want catloaf cookies too! If they're baked, then i want peanut butter ones, but if they're bought, I like the soft sugar cookies with multi-colored sprinkles.
plurry, I need you to ship me X, stat. Can you ship things like that overseas and overnight?
Dude, I could do that, my friend who is getting into it is rich and he bought 30 fucking pills last night, I was like "what the fuck dude, you need to slow down". They were all blue triple-stacked playboys. I'm considering buying some off him just so he can't take them. I'm kinda worried...
^ Temporarily, but if you do it over and over again with no breaks then I guess you could never give yourself enough time to rebuild the "pleasure sensors" in which case, yes it can be harmful.
This is what I'm worried about, he's taken 12 pills in the past 2 weeks on 4 different trips, and he just bought 30 more like I said. And he texted me right now telling me he wants to do it again tonight and if I wanted to join him.
My mom took away all of my pixies stix at halloween because she said that poeple ut drugs in them to "trick" kids into doing drugs. Now that Im an adult, and have done drugs i think to myslef that no drug user would ever waste precious drugs on a fuckin kid. DUMB
ahah, seriously.
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 7:44 PM plurry, I need you to ship me X, stat. Can you ship things like that overseas and overnight? done and done. (they're blue pandas. the best i ever had.) —plurry |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Edited Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 8:41 PM ^ I want some. Best I evar had were Baby T's. Rememebr those? I can reemebr a few yrs ago when Blue dolphins were the shit. Then when the pressers found out that EVEYRONE regarded them as good, they started making bunk blue dolphins and now they all suck. —whoisnumbaone |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 8:39 PM NO! CANNOT HAVE! —plurry |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 10:28 PM Thanks, Derek. That's twice today that I've had to have something explained to me. Fuck. —Dusty TheHick |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 10:52 PM Will you be my mom too? this could get hot. —bguirk |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 10:54 PM I'll be everyone's mommy. Except legion and BCB. Is everyone ready to fingerpaint? —catloaf |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:45 PM You'll need a note from...well, ME. —catloaf |
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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 at 11:46 PM ok, to hell with fingerpainting, who wants to bake cookies? —catloaf |
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