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Tuesday, April 15, 2008 at 9:38 AM he would turn brocoli into pot and give it out to anyone who wanted some —whoisnumbaone |
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Tuesday, April 15, 2008 at 1:03 PM Christ, who would mock one of the best movies ever? Morgan Freeman is my favorite negro. 
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Tuesday, April 15, 2008 at 1:18 PM I'd really like to be fucking right now. —ZT Spice |
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mandee |
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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 at 2:10 AM tig ol' bitties —mandee |
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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 at 10:53 PM ^hahahaha
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Jesus christ would shake his dreads, and put an eighth in the blunt. —jizzgrenade |
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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 at 11:48 PM Fuck the Pope, btw. —acm323 |
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 4:49 PM Supposedly...but I'm guessing that a lot of it depends on what one's native language is. —Dusty TheHick |
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Edited Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 5:03 PM Isn't English one of the most difficult languages for foreigners to learn? —Sassafras Roots I learned how to speak English in about 2 years when I was 7 years old. However my grammar and writing still needs improvement.
Has anyone heard of Milton Bennett? He's an intercultral communications expert. He thinks it's funny how we expect children to speak English, then by the time their in high school and college we require them to pick up a foreign language. A little too late, don't cha' think?
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Thursday, April 17, 2008 at 10:50 PM Adults learn shit way easier than children, I don't like that nonsense about spongey brains. The only obstacles adults have with learning a language are habit and pride. Illiterate adults trying to read are the same as adults trying to read a new language.
I doubt English is any harder than any other language in the world; anyone who believes in evolution would agree. How hard the individual finds it depends on what they already know. Duh that related languages make it easier. —MajandraFan |
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Friday, April 18, 2008 at 7:12 AM Adults learn shit way easier than children, I don't like that nonsense about spongey brains. The only obstacles adults have with learning a language are habit and pride Actually this is not true. It's fairly well established that our brains are much more plastic when we're younger and that there's a window when we're young where we are much more able to rapidly acquire language. —anobody |
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Friday, April 18, 2008 at 2:59 PM Yes (and the only reason I didn't say that in absolute terms is that there are no absolutes in science; this is one of those ninety-nine-point-nine percenters though) —anobody |
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Friday, April 18, 2008 at 3:09 PM Jesus christ would shake his dreads, and put an eighth in the blunt. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —whoisnumbaone |
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Friday, April 18, 2008 at 3:55 PM Adults learn shit way easier than children, I don't like that nonsense about spongey brains. My dad agrees with you, mostly. He always said he learned better as an adult because he had better discipline and actually wanted to learn. The "spongy brains" applies to certain things like language, obviously, since few of us struggle to pick up our native tongue as we grow. But it doesn't necessarily apply to learning in general. —TortillaFactory |
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Friday, April 18, 2008 at 6:55 PM the hardest part about english to learn was the spelling of sounds; i learned to speak it way before i even tried to read it. I had a very different image of how things were spelled. the ie/ei thing makes no sense, and it has no genders, so different words spelled the same are hard to tell apart; but it is also easier to learn from that aspect. And spoken enlish seems very different than propper written and tought english, German is like that to an extent too. —jizzgrenade |
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Friday, April 18, 2008 at 7:02 PM It takes children fucking years to learn anything. I mean fuck, you could take the volume of learning up until high school (junior high for you guys I think, up to about 12) and present that much to an adult on any non-language subject and it takes them, what, a week? A month? Anobody, haven't you noticed the exponential rate of learning in your life? You spend five years blobbing around, with that awesome naked learning brain, yet with constant saturation to the language most 5 year olds don't learn shit. Then for the next seven, even though learning is the primary occupation of children, you get someone as learned as a 12 year old, which is to say, not much. Would you hire someone with the skills of a 5 year old, or a 12 year old? No, because that's just the basics. All the real shit happens after that, when our brains are ready to really learn shit because we're developed enough to have discipline. Now my idea that pride and habit are what stop adults from learning (for those that have trouble) have been disproved by what studies? None? Some? Let me know, I'm quite sure that the early learning stuff is pushed hardest by people who sell products based around it. I've heard it most on infomercials at 3am, or infomercials like Oprah. —MajandraFan |
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Friday, April 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM Pre-adolescent children typically possess better linguistic learning abilities than adults, making it easier for them to learn a new language. But this ability normally disappears around adolescence and why this should happen remains unclear. -http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6411-childhood-learning-may-determine-linguistic-rules.html i have also always heard that, though i'm not an expert. —jizzgrenade |
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Saturday, April 19, 2008 at 9:03 AM The "spongy brains" applies to certain things like language, obviously, since few of us struggle to pick up our native tongue as we grow. But it doesn't necessarily apply to learning in general. Of course (these are two different things; we were talking about learning a language; anyone care to bring up how tasty ketchup is with chips?). It takes children fucking years to learn anything Since we're obviously sliding off of the topic of language, what you don't realize is that kids are actually learning how to learn as much as anything. It takes a long time just to figure out how to interpret things and store memories. If you actually looked at the number of changes to brain structure, you'd find that the brains of the children who you don't think are learning quickly are rapidly rewiring themselves, whereas yours and mine look more or less the same now as they did 5-10 years ago (other than whatever damage we've managed to do to them). yet with constant saturation to the language most 5 year olds don't learn shit A lot of language acquisition actually happens when kids are pre-verbal. Their brains are learning which sounds are meaningful in their native tongue, and a lot of the basic structure and rules of their language. You're having two separate discussions - one on learning language, and one on learning, in general. They're not the same thing. —anobody |
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Saturday, April 19, 2008 at 9:35 AM Dude, we're on such different wavelengths. I mean, I just said that kids aren't ready to learn until they're no longer children and you say that they're learning to learn. I'm saying the same thing as you there, more or less. Why don't you realise this? Am I expressing myself poorly (fuck yes) or are you just misreading me (a li'l bit). I also disagree with you and Liz that learning langauge is different to learning other stuff. It's all chemical data, baby!
By the way, that means you two are agreed on something. Ner ner.
Oh, the reason I think all learning is the same even though people show predilictions to the different styles (verbal, visual, or what the fuck ever, you guys know the terms for such more than me since y'all are into these particular theories) is that the predilections are no more important, empirically, than chocolate vs strawberry. It's all ice cream, some people just prefer to eat one flavour over another. It's just as easy to digest both.
That's the way I'm looking at it. Yay! Enjoyment entwines with passion which pushes us into our specialities.
Oh, or instead of icecream you can go sauce or mayonnaise on french fried potato. They're both the same thing right, you were talking something about learning preferences or somethiing yeah? —MajandraFan |
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Saturday, April 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM I also disagree with you and Liz that learning langauge is different to learning other stuff Well you're wrong... but OK. that means you two are agreed on something Well duh - we agree on lots of things. It's all ice cream, some people just prefer to eat one flavour over another. It's just as easy to digest both. This is actually not true either. Some people can digest the vanilla better, while others really do better with strawberry or chocolate (while you seem to do better with pickles and anchovies with a ribbon of fudge). To be fair, that's not quite as settled as evolution vs ID, but it has been studied extensively (I'm sure chix0r has a bit of knowledge/experience with that). —anobody |
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Sunday, April 20, 2008 at 7:03 AM >>I'm sure chix0r has a bit of knowledge/experience with that Ice cream? —chix0r |
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Sunday, April 20, 2008 at 10:03 AM Differences in how people learn. —anobody |
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Sunday, April 20, 2008 at 10:23 AM I think that generally they're introduced to it by child molesters. —anobody |
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Sunday, April 20, 2008 at 3:09 PM I could stand a chocolate malt with vanilla ice cream right about now, actually. —anobody |
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Sunday, April 20, 2008 at 5:46 PM It takes children fucking years to learn anything. I mean fuck, you could take the volume of learning up until high school (junior high for you guys I think, up to about 12) and present that much to an adult on any non-language subject and it takes them, what, a week? A month? To be fair, a minority of students actually learn at the painfully slow pace at which school is conducted. Lowest common denominator, you know. —TortillaFactory |
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Monday, April 21, 2008 at 1:15 AM The bell curve is more like a pyramid. Besides, I learn faster than I did when I was little, and I wasn't at the slow end. —MajandraFan |
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Monday, April 21, 2008 at 5:37 AM The ability to learn is largely tied up in our comprehension of language which then affects speed of learning. Since a child is able to learn languages more effectively, it allows them as an adult to learn more complex concepts faster later in life. Yuck. I wanted to phrase that more eloquently, but I'm too tired too elaborate. —Beat It! |
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Monday, April 21, 2008 at 6:49 AM You're forgetting motor skills and mathematics and many other things.
Where do you think the stereotype that Asians are good at maths comes from? It's a subject they can focus on without the handicap of learning a new language. For other subjects, it's languague+subject, but for science subjects, especially maths, it's just subject. —MajandraFan |
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Monday, April 21, 2008 at 8:46 AM I'm going to Liks with my girlfriend later today. —ZT Spice Liks was really good, BTW. —ZT Spice |
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mandee |
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Monday, April 21, 2008 at 4:50 PM tell us more about your gf. and by us, obviously, i mean me. —mandee |
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 at 3:14 PM adding to the argument without any supporting links to data.. it's impossible to not notice how easy it is (especially in homes where the parents are fairly uneducated) for children to pick up two languages in a multilingual household while struggling in school with things like math. —plurry |
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM Interesting you should bring that up again. It's blatantly obvious that language is something to which "spongey brain" theory applies, but why? Here are some things about language which don't really apply to other "academic" subjects. 1. Language is constantly changing and governed by often contradictory, convoluted, and confusing sets of rules.
2. Language cannot be fully understood except by absorbtion.
3. Language is necessary to learn any other subject, and it is impossible to avoid while living in the world. As a layperson I would theorize that language exercises completely different parts of the brain than algebra. But I really don't know. —TortillaFactory |
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Sunday, April 27, 2008 at 7:49 PM I think you might be surprised... when I write equations, I actually think in words and most of the manipulations seem to be on par with rephrasing sentences and paragraphs (though a tad easier for me) As far as I can tell, it's about the same as language (though maybe that's just my perception, or maybe I'm just weird like that). —anobody |
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