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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 7:52 PM How would someone theoretically check the history of a computer other than viewing the history within the browser? Cause I definitely deleted the browsing history from Firefox but someone DEFINITELY has been reading/checking and accurately knowing the history, despite its constant deletion. —andrewwagner777 |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 7:54 PM either some kind of (intentionally installed) spyware that's invisible to you, or they're just viewing the URLs saved in the address bar. It'd be hard to say which without knowing specifics. —TortillaFactory |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM You leave a lot of trails out there when you visit the internets. Spyware stores and broadcasts your internet ramblings. A lot of cookies store some level of site visits (or their very names indicate where you've been) so if you left those intact you can usually figure out where people have been. Your ISP definitely knows what you've been up to at least in the last 30 days or so. If it's not your computer it could have some sort of administrative spyware on it. I could go on for awhile on this, but you get the picture. —bguirk |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 7:56 PM Spyware's definitely a possibility, but I've been browsing around my computer looking and haven't found much. And definitely isn't a matter of the URL appearing in the URL line. —andrewwagner777 |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 7:57 PM are there multiple user accts on the computer? if so, is yours at the Admin level? also, it's possible that the spyware is hidden until a particular pass/key combo is typed. try hitting random keys I guess? —TortillaFactory |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 7:58 PM
Edited Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 7:59 PM seconding cookies. clear those out after every internets session. also, spyware scanners might pick up intentionally installed spyware/keyloggers as a threat, so try scanning with several different progs. —TortillaFactory |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Edited Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 8:02 PM ....if you access the internets through a wireless connection you are often broadcasting your visits, your keystrokes can be tracked, someone with a telescope could be spying through your window. The better question is why does this matter? Who's calling you on the carpet for places you've been? clear those out after every internets session or don't. not all cookies are bad things. —bguirk |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 8:02 PM I tend to discount the idea of someone going out of their way to install spyware (not impossible, but just seems like a lot of effort to me). My first guess would be autocompletion in the URL bar (assuming it's not cleared when you delete the history). There's also the cache if you're not clearing that. Also, it's a little more of a stretch, but you have someone who is reasonably computer savvy sharing a network with you, they could also just be sniffing packets (no need to even touch your computer then). —anobody |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Edited Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 8:03 PM or don't. not all cookies are bad things. if someone's spying on him through the cookies it's easier to just delete them all. Installing spyware is easy (near-retarded parents of my friends have done it) and we've already established it's not the address bar. —TortillaFactory |
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bguirk |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 8:04 PM I'd say some sort of net-nanny or URL tracking is a lot more likely than packet sniffing, but whatevs...as I said before if I sat down and thought about it I could come up with a ton of ways to grab visit records. The better question is why does it matter? did mom catch you with porn or what? —bguirk |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 8:07 PM I once installed a keylogger on my own computer just for kicks. It was totally invisible to all users unless a certain password was typed, and incredibly simple to implement. I'd say that's the most likely culprit if it's parents he suspects. —TortillaFactory |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 8:09 PM
Edited Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 8:09 PM I'd say some sort of net-nanny or URL tracking is a lot more likely than packet sniffing + what Liz said Really? Maybe I'm just coming too much from my own perspective. I'd never even think of installing tracking software, but sniffing packets just seems effortless (not that I'd be very inclined to do that either). —anobody |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM I'm just going by what I know--there are off the shelf available at Best Buy net-nanny type apps while packet sniffers are a bit higher on the tech food chain. —bguirk |
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anobody |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 8:23 PM there are off the shelf available at Best Buy net-nanny type apps Boy do some parents suck. —anobody |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 9:02 PM
Edited Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 9:02 PM The way they're usually set up, home networks are like a party line - everything goes out to everyone. Usually your computer ignores the stuff that's not meant for it, but you can tell it to listen to everything (and let you in on what other computers on your local network are talking about). —anobody |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 9:12 PM And by home networks, you mean multiple computers within the same household, yesyes? —Dusty TheHick |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 9:20 PM multiple connected computers (connected via cable or wireless hub). —bguirk |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 9:21 PM someone DEFINITELY has been reading/checking and accurately knowing the history, despite its constant deletion. what gives you this idea? whats been happening that tells you someone or something knows what sites you've been visiting? —foob2011 |
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Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 10:19 PM multiple connected computers (connected via cable or wireless hub). OMG, that's me! What should I install to prevent such madness?
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Monday, April 14, 2008 at 12:00 AM I'm just going by what I know--there are off the shelf available at Best Buy net-nanny type apps while packet sniffers are a bit higher on the tech food chain. Yeah for example CNET has about 300 "monitoring software" programs (that do keylogging, screenshots, site logs, etc) most of which you can download for a free trial. They're as easy to use as clicking install and choosing a few settings. A lot of people must use them to check up on their sig. others or employees but they're marketed for "child protection". —doingdoingdoing |
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Monday, April 14, 2008 at 6:16 AM This was our guess... and it's why I thought autocomplete - if some random person walks up to my computer and types "fo" then foobies.com pops up (there are ways around that, but they just seem like a waste of time considering that it almost never happens). If it is "nanny" software, then depending on how it works, you might be able to get around it simply by using another browser (though if it's halfway decently written, that wouldn't work). If I had more time, I'd research this a bit (both for you and my own edification). What should I install to prevent such madness? You can do everything through an encrypted tunnel... but it'll be slower and it's really more trouble than it's worth considering that most people tend not to know about sniffing anyway. If you can, it is good to avoid sending out your passwords in the clear though. For example, if you don't use webmail and your mail client and service support it, you should probably use SSL tunneling for your POP/IMAP/SMTP services because if you don't, everything that goes in and out (including your username and password) are there for the world to see (which is particularly bad if you're like most people and you use the same username and password for lots of different things). —anobody |
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Monday, April 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM To answer your question(s), parents + pr0n. —andrewwagner777 When my good buddy and I were 2/3's of the entire IT department for a giant company one of the women in advertising came up to us all concerned that she had caught her son using internet porn. His argument was that "spyware had infected our computer and someone was browsing porn remotely," to which we laughed our asses off. Then we gave her a huge lecture about how normal/healthy it was that he was looking at porn and she should lay off, maybe have a discussion of boundaries or something, but the porn was out of the bottle and she should give him his privacy unless she wanted to start talking about sex. If I were a young lad with a absolutely normal porn habit operating under a repressive parental regime I'd google and read up on "anonymous browsing" and "proxy servers" both as educational tools and to get more future porn. This is a technological arms race and your parents have fired the first salvo. You need to go nuclear. I'd also stockpile. Go to forums that post addresses of rapidshare porn and get more than you need for awhile--then burn your findings onto DVD and stash it. Comfort yourself with the fact that most Universities don't filter and you'll have all the porn you want soon. —bguirk |
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Tuesday, April 15, 2008 at 2:59 AM I can't believe you were looking at porn. Aren't you a Republican? —Jaffa Cakes |
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