what do you mean "back" to the moon? i don't think we've been to the moon. they probably faked it. ever see a car from the late 60's? how about a computer? noting that, i'm to believe that we had the technology to build a ship that could get to the moon and back?
why bother anyway? wnat's going to the moon going to get us? probably more dead astronauts.
My father-in-law worked on the Apollo program. From what he tells me, I'm pretty sure it's real. Even though technology has improved, the laws of physics have not changed. f still equals ma.
your characterization of the 60's is a tad off. In addition to everything you mentioned we also had 4 working ICBM systems which is more than enough technology to get you to the moon.
just out of curiosity, can someone point to me some footage of the ship landing on the moon and taking off from the moon?
if not, can anyone point to me some footage of them accomplishing this feat on earth? i would imagine that they did a lot of testing first, so there must be footage of NASA launching a rocket in florida, having it land in, say.. the desert in arizona, then have it come back to florida.
these things must exist since they are true. i would love to see some of this stuff so i can join the legions of the convinced.
Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 2:52 PM Edited Saturday, May 12, 2007 at 2:53 PM
Rather than rehashing all of this, why don't I just send you to Phill Plait's page on the subject.
... for those too lazy to follow a link...
just out of curiosity, can someone point to me some footage of the ship landing on the moon and taking off from the moon?
The only landing footage I'm aware of is from the vantage point of the descending craft; not very exciting, but it looks something like this -
if not, can anyone point to me some footage of them accomplishing this feat on earth?
Here's some footage of the lunar lander testing platform flying on earth.
More recently, there was a vertical takeoff and landing rocket called the Delta Clipper
That's real footage - believe it or not.
The test craft was made at something like 1/4 scale so it couldn't carry enough fuel to get to orbit, but it worked well as a technology demonstrator.
In order to launch any rocket, you have to solve the inverted pendulum control problem.
Once you can do that, it's not very hard to manage controlled hovering and landing with rockets.
i would imagine that they did a lot of testing first, so there must be footage of NASA launching a rocket in florida, having it land in, say.. the desert in arizona, then have it come back to florida.
There's no real need to put together a complete package and test it on earth (and doing so would be prohibitively expensive because earth's gravity is so much stronger than the moon's).
All you need are validated heavy lift vehicles (lots of rockets had been launched before the Saturn Vs and the Saturn Vs themselves were well tested before people went to the moon).
You also need a working lunar lander (see above), a return launch vehicle (just a small rocket to escape the moon's gravity), and a way to get from earth orbit to the moon (a rocket you can fire in space and enough fuel to get you there; other than scale and expense, that's not a big deal).
these things must exist since they are true. i would love to see some of this stuff so i can join the legions of the convinced.
what are those new military planes called. the ones that can take off vertically and have the rotational helicopter blades. for some reason, the closest i can get to the na,me is, the ocelot, but that's not right.
this is the only conspiracy that i can get into and it's just enough to bring it up for fun. like i said, i've done no research because i lack passion on the subject.
i'd say i'm more convinced after seeing some things in this thread, but simply stated: i wasn't born yet/wasn't there, i haven't looked into it much, the video footage from the lunar landing is only quasi convincing (seems like since we had the technology to get to the moon, we'd have some unquestionable accompanying video footage) and that it just doesn't sound like something that could have been accomplished during that time period considering how primitive everything from that era seems today.
oh for fucks sake, i have a small amount of doubt about something, don't throw me in the bin with the people who think there is a spaceship at area 51 or our government killed kennedy.
plurry, he was crazy. Don't be crazy.
well, at least i don't believe in astrology and tarot cards.
He knows they can do it now. He wants footage from the 60s.
Um.... that's up there too.
Why do we coddle conspiracy theorists/religious nuts? Why can't we just send them to an island where they won't spread their ignorance.
Well... for starters, it's probably not a great idea to give the impression that nutty stuff isn't nutty.
The best solution for bad speech is more speech.
what are those new military planes called. the ones that can take off vertically and have the rotational helicopter blades. for some reason, the closest i can get to the na,me is, the ocelot, but that's not right.
i'd say i'm more convinced after seeing some things in this thread, but simply stated: i wasn't born yet/wasn't there, i haven't looked into it much, the video footage from the lunar landing is only quasi convincing (seems like since we had the technology to get to the moon, we'd have some unquestionable accompanying video footage) and that it just doesn't sound like something that could have been accomplished during that time period considering how primitive everything from that era seems today.
Things back then weren't all that primitive (or we're not all that advanced, depending on how you look at it).
For example - they had computers back then. They were slow and bulky, but then ours will look pretty slow and bulky in 40 years too.
Around 4.5 billion years ago (and only ~30-40 million years after the solar system formed), a Mars-sized planetoid called Theia is thought to have crashed into the Earth.
The energy from the impact was so great that it liquified much of the surface of Earth and ejected a considerable amount of debris into space.
That impact significantly altered Earth's atmosphere and spin, setting the stage for life.
Having the right rotation is important because it modulates temperature (think of the Earth like a chicken on a rotisserie - if it was spinning too slow, one side would get scorched and the other would freeze).
Actually - it'd probably be worse than that. All of the water on the hot side would boil away, making an extremely strong greenhouse blanket around the planet and chemical reactions with the hot, wet, dense atmosphere and rocks / volcanic gasses would make strong sulfuric acid. Then Earth wouldn't so much look like this
as it would look like this
Plus - it'd be so hot and acrid that all of your stuff would melt (just after you did).
The spin also drives a geomagnetic dynamo, which helps maintain a strong magnetic field, which, in turn, steers charged particles in the solar wind into radiation belts, keeping us all from getting lethally dosed with radiation and making pretty light shows for the caribou, polar bears, and penguins to enjoy.
Plus the moon makes strong tides, which mix up the oceans and keep things from getting all stagnant and nasty.
Since the impact and formation of the moon, it's been slowly receding - just like my hairline, at a rate of about 38 mm per year.
That doesn't sound like much, but it's enough that, over the course of millions of years, it makes a big difference. This is why the moon played such a central role in all of the great dinosaur poetry.
Even today, the moon stabilizes Earth's axes of rotation - giving us nice consistent seasons.
If it suddenly wasn't there, we'd start wobbling around randomly and that'd totally eff up the weather - occasionally making some places literally boiling hot in the summer and frozen solid in the winter.
An interesting last bit before I finish - as the moon is pulling away from us, our days are getting longer - by about one second every 60,000 years.
Now, the moon is tidally locked with the Earth - which is why we always see the same face.
Eventually (in something like 2 billion years or so) the Earth will become tidally locked with the moon as well - so that the heavy side of the Earth will always be facing the heavy side of the moon, and both will remain ass-to-ass to each other for another few billion years - until the sun enters a red giant phase and almost engulfs them both.
Fun fact, I adore space pictures even though I know nothing about space. I read Hyperspace and Parallel Worlds by Michio Kaku, that's pretty scientific of me.
ano's post reminded me about the evolution exhibit at my University that I visited this week with my geologist father in-law while we cracked jokes about how the Earth is only 5k years old. I thought of all the tools we've gotten into it here with about carbon dating and how evolution isn't real and then I laughed at them.
my aunt wsa yeling this mroning about the repubclian pres. candidats who said tehy didnt bleive in evolution. Young and flat earth idiots, how bout you all go down to australai, mabye you'l fall off!!!!!
I don't believe in indoor plumbing. I believe in the "hole in the ground" theory so I'm only going to shit outside in open pits. I also don't believe in toilet paper so I'm going to do that thing where I carry that jar around with me and wipe my ass with my left hand. I haven't named that theory yet.
People who refuse to believe in evolution should have to put it on their licenses so we can deny them any medicine that was developed on the understanding of that theory.
I heart Astronomy facts, I used to be really into this stuff as a kid. My dad has this sick telescope, you can check out jupiter and see it's moons and everything.
wel if you tihkn about it politicans are an exapmle of non evolution.
Using your own example - exactly the opposite is true.
Tehy stay the same: lying, ceahting and fucking to get to and stay at the top.
They compete with each other and they keep getting better at lying, cheating and fucking.
If you look at bullshit from the 50's and compare it to the bullshit politicians shovel today, you're comparing starting fire by rubbing two sticks together with the Tsara bomba.
... of course, you don't really have genetic heritability so the analogy is kinda broken, but still.
Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 11:49 PM Edited Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 11:51 PM
I like your magic tricks Madnee. It msut take a lot of skill to do those. I bet all your friends are realy proud of you for havng the courag to get up on stage and preform. You sould be proud of yourslef too.
