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Saturday, May 6, 2006 at 10:38 PM Here This may seem strange to some of you, but I am AGAINST this. It's hypocritical that all religions are reportedly "for it" even though. all of them do not follow the ten commandments and all have change the true meaning into their own interpretations. Tell all your friends about this, because it's odd to me that many have no idea that this was happening. You would think something this controversial would spark a lot more media attention. It angers me that this is happening, and in my opinion, it's the start of something much more evil. —Lefty |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 1:59 AM "Why don't we invent a religion for animals? Aren't they scared?! They get run over all the time!" "...Like a Commodores song, that's how well they treat their ladies over there." And just the "Micah?" every so often but he doesn't stop. I miss loveline a lot. —smaller hands |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 3:57 AM I just spent an hour typing out a beautiful attack on the Bible and religion in general and I x'ed it out. I want to cry. —justinbaily21 |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 11:49 AM this is NOT anti-religion, it's anti-global government and anti-hypocrisy —Lefty |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 12:02 PM I just spent an hour typing out a beautiful attack on the Bible and religion in general and I x'ed it out. I want to cry. don't worry. You'd mostly be preaching to the converted around here. badum ching. suffice it to say, religion is imprinted by parents to their children. People are indoctrinated by their parents from one generation to the next, and hopefully some education/enlightenment will take hold and one of the chldren will wise up and snap into reality. I mean, why don't we hear anyone ever say this?? Indoctrination is the word. People are religious because:
a) their parents made them that way and their too weak-minded to think independently
b) they found god via 12-step program or through jailtime. But I'm not anti-religion unless somebody tries to sell me on jesus or tries to highjack my flight. Opium of the masses. —ProfessorCarbuncle |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 12:07 PM I agree that religion is first learned through parents, however, in my case, i went from really religious to I hate God, God doesn't exist to the end is truly near.
at a certain age, it's your job to understand and come to your own conclusion. —Lefty |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 12:15 PM There seems to be a general pattern of people who were raised religious, questioning their faith and then reverting to some sort of spirituality / religion. I've pretty much always been non-religious (though I did have a bit of an existential crisis in high school). —anobody |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 3:11 PM at a certain age, it's your job to understand and come to your own conclusion. exactly. unfortunately, some people never reach that age, intellectually. Kinda like how some people never get out of the 'yummy phase', and they continue to eat mac&cheese and fried chicken and fruit punch for the rest of their lives. I had a span of about 2 or 3 years when I was a child where I still believed in god just because I thought I was going to hell if I didn't accept him. When people reach that age where they question their faith, they are essentially weighing a lack of evidence for existence of god(s) versus their spiritual upbringing. This is why religion can never be taught as science. It's not. Science is based on method and testing and evidence. Religion is based on feelings. And by the way, have we just Accepted that someone can die for our sins?? If my brother kills a liquor store owner in an attempted robbery, there's nothing I can do to pay for his moral debt. That's not how it works. The sinner pays for his sins. The closest thing I can think of would be with the passengers on United 93 (crashed in PA) who died in an attempt to save other innocent people. You could make the argument that in a way they died for the sins of our shitbag government+international policiy/ percieved indulgent culture, but still it's not quite the same. I'm always a little bit shocked that so many of us believe in supernatural beings/deities in the 21st century. —ProfessorCarbuncle |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 3:27 PM
Edited Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 3:28 PM some people never reach that age, intellectually I agree, it's unfortunate. Some of my friends (ages 19-21) are still in that stage. It make confuses me when they behave in certain ways. And, the lack of knowledge they have about life, well that just angers me. When I say "about life" I mean just basic things, ie: sex, basic history, finances. —Lefty |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 4:17 PM A lot of people just aren't reflective at all. How else could you explain morons who weave in and out of lanes in traffic only to end up no further along when waiting at the next light or the idiots who travel at or below the speed limit in the far left lane in the freeway when they could travel at exactly the same speed while drive right and letting people pass them? —anobody |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 5:10 PM this is NOT anti-religion, it's anti-global government and anti-hypocrisy That Ten Commandments day didn't appear to say anything about global government. Although, I just read the first page and didn't' click on any of the links. It just seemed to be one of those patriotic, US is the best, God loves America things. It seems more about morals and such and relating religions under a common understanding. I'm not saying that I agree with it (in fact i don't really agree with any religion in general), but it doesn't seem too harmful. —mandeemoo22 |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 5:13 PM that's what they're saying about the patriot act and war with iraq —Lefty |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 5:28 PM Well, those two things are something that affects everyone and infringes on the rights of innocent people. However, I don't know of anyone who is participating in this day and you certainly don't have to if you don't want to. I suppose you could be concerned about the Constitution Restoration Act, which is so blatantly unconstitutional on many levels including separation of church and state and giving Congress too much power that I don't see it being able to pass. —mandeemoo22 |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 5:40 PM oh it will, because in order to keep Americans "safe", people will do anything. Just wait for the next terrorist act or some sort of disaster (Avian flu). And, the fear will blind everyone. They said that something like the patriot act would never get passed, well, they were wrong. —Lefty |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 6:01 PM Well, this is some small random website that you found. I don't believe this is on anyone's agenda except for those who created the site. When a Alabama supreme court justice put the ten commandments in the courthouse, the higher courts forced him to remove it and when he didn't, he was fired. What this bill wants to do is basically take away all the powers of the supreme court, making it completely worthless and allowing congress and consequently the president to do whatever they want. It's so completely ridiuclous that if it even looked like it could possibly pass, the democrats would be sure to filibuster it and so many people would lobby against it. the patriot act passed because even though it was clearly a violation of civil liberties, people supported it because they were scared of another 9/11 and this was placed directly towards terrorism, which is not the case at all with this commandments bill. —mandeemoo22 |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 6:02 PM I hadn't heard anything about this until Lefty brought it up, and as far as I can see, not a peep from CNN. This isn't a big deal. —ItHadToBeJew |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 6:04 PM exactly, people were scared, just wait for something bigger than 911 to happen, and it will all pass without any problem. —Lefty |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 6:12 PM i'm just saying that when something does happen, don't let fear dictate your actions and actually think about how you are being told to behave by the media and/or by your friends. —Lefty |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 6:14 PM strylker, like i said before, this is NOT anti-religion.
I AM RELIGIOUS, i talk about religion more than you do. I defend religious statements on threads. —Lefty |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 6:20 PM Lefty I know I read that and I know that. I'm mainly referring to plurry, and justinbaily and ProfCarbuncle who were kind of attacking religion and I'm just wondering, do you people ever get tired of it? Are you convincing anyone? I'm not going to stop going to church based on something I see in a forum. It all just seems kinda pointless to me. —Stryker311 |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 6:28 PM
Edited Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 7:01 PM That explains why the terror alert is at hot magenta. 
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 6:29 PM they're still in the "I hate God, God doesn't exist" stage. —Lefty |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 6:31 PM that's right, im going to blow up Cali, but that would be pointless because i'll kill more non-aryans. —Lefty |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 6:33 PM Nooooo not cali! Hollister co. will lose all their business. Their cologne smells like hairspray btw. —Stryker311 |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 7:34 PM I hadn't heard anything about this until Lefty brought it up, and as far as I can see, not a peep from CNN.
Me either. ... attacking religion and I'm just wondering .... do you people ever get tired of it? Probably not until religion gets tired of fucking things up for the rest of us. Are you convincing anyone? I'm not going to stop going to church based on something I see in a forum. It all just seems kinda pointless to me. Well there are at least two things at work there. First, some people like debating for the sake of debating and it's nice to be a member of a chorus rather than a soloist. Second, by discussing and debating things, we can learn more about how other people think and, from time to time, realize when we believe something that is unfounded or doesn't make sense and correct that. "I hate God, God doesn't exist" stage.
I disagree. I would argue that the whole reason some people go through that stage is because they were raised with the trappings of religion and they eventually grow up and start to realize that the logic of religion is coming apart at the seems. Eventually, they may rebound into a state where they regain some of the religiosity that they were raised with (though I would argue that has more to do with their minds being programed from day one not to be able to cope with or even understand a world without some sort of spiritualism). I never hated God (or really considered it relevant if s/he exists at all). That may sound absurd to some of you but I hope you'll realize that your position sounds just as absurd to me. If there is such a being, then, in principal, how different could s/he be from an infinitely advanced civilization? If that's the case then why should you worship s/him? Is such a being really going to so shallow to care about what a few hairless apes on an insignificant lump of rock flying around in an undistinguished part of a galaxy that's only one of a billion billion others? Would you care if some microbes living on a grain of sand on some random beach worshiped you? Would you be offended if they didn't? I mean these are pretty obvious questions that people have reflected on for generations. —anobody |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 7:38 PM Lefty, are you a real terrorist or just a love terrorist? My God counselor told me not to fraternize with terrorists, because most of them are Muslims. Wait, are you Muslim? —greymatters |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 8:21 PM He's one a them Korean Baptist Muslims. —anobody |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 8:36 PM Second, by discussing and debating things, we can learn more about how other people think and, from time to time, realize when we believe something that is unfounded or doesn't make sense and correct that. —anobody Bing! This is one of the smartest things I've ever read in this forum. This distills the frustration I feel when people answer my points with "who cares?" or "whatever". Dialogue is important, people. —ProfessorCarbuncle |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 9:23 PM people debate about religion because they believe in it. But, it may or may not have been someone here that said that there is 50% evidence that God exists and 50% evidence that God does not exist, what saparates the two is faith. —Lefty |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 9:30 PM Is that a rhetorical question, Grey? —anobody |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 10:02 PM people debate about religion because they believe in it I don't usually get involved in these debates, but I feel like I want to throw my pointless $.02 in. I DON'T debate about religion because I believe in it. I don't need to debate it. I come here to be myself, not to turn anyone else into me. If I didn't stand up and say I believed, most of you would probably never know otherwise. And that's how I prefer it. I'm not pushing my views on any of you--and don't wish to--and I'm willing to listen and take into consideration YOUR views, but I'm not going to fight about it, that's not what I'm about. —catloaf |
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Sunday, May 7, 2006 at 10:12 PM An excellent point, catloaf. —anobody |
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Monday, May 8, 2006 at 9:04 AM I would argue that the whole reason some people go through that stage is because they were raised with the trappings of religion and they eventually grow up and start to realize that the logic of religion is coming apart at the seems. Eventually, they may rebound into a state where they regain some of the religiosity that they were raised with (though I would argue that has more to do with their minds being programed from day one not to be able to cope with or even understand a world without some sort of spiritualism). —anobody I hope to god that doesn't happen to me. Oh crap, I said I hope to god. It's happening already. Then again I was never really spiritual in the first place so maybe there's still some hope. Pray for me my brothers. —Dark Laith |
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Monday, May 8, 2006 at 9:13 AM If I was rich I would claim to be religious. Because that would distract somewhat from the piles and piles of money I had. —Had To Get It On |
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Monday, May 8, 2006 at 9:17 AM Don't worry Laith, Allah welcomes you back into his flock! Let me know when you're ready to resume your 'activities'. —anobody |
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Monday, May 8, 2006 at 9:19 AM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I know, I'll use Allah's own tacticts against him. Note to self: suicide bomb the Ka'ba. —Dark Laith |
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Monday, May 8, 2006 at 9:42 AM Why would you want to bomb such a lovely dish? 
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Monday, May 8, 2006 at 3:49 PM He's a vegetarian, he only eats retarded people. —catloaf |
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Monday, May 8, 2006 at 6:40 PM Here's a better question, why wouldn't I?!! Get'cher TNT strapped to yer chest and swallow some grenades, we're about to make me into a real-life Infested Terran! —Dark Laith |
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