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Sunday, February 5, 2006 at 12:29 PM why? TACS is free on newsgroups... —j4k3 |
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Sunday, February 5, 2006 at 11:04 PM Maybe because ehansen was 100 times easier than newsgroups bullshit? —Logo Lou |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 11:38 AM Newsgroups are cool and all, but stop trying to covert people. It doesn't get much easier than right-click/save as. —bguirk |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 11:56 AM Come Back Ehansen!!!!!
COME BACK!!!! (Sobs) —jaymiles |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 12:10 PM A: "Damn, I really need a cold beer right now." B: "Yeah, you can't really get 'em right here, you have to go to the beer garden." A: "Beer gardens are cool and all, but stop trying to convert me, man."
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 12:37 PM A: "Damn, I really need a cold beer right now." B: "Yeah, you can't really get 'em right here, you have to go to the beer garden." A: "Beer gardens are cool and all, but stop trying to convert me, man." —Full Meat More like: A: Damn, I really need a cold Full Sail Ale right now B: I get mine through the beer of the month club. First I fill out an application, then I send in my addres, then they send me my membership card, then I send in my perference list, then I wait until June when it's golden ale month, then they send me a Samuel Adams, then I complain about it and then they send me a Full Sail. It's really easy! Everyone can do it. A: I'd rather go to the store. Usenet isn't hard, but come on. There's nothing wrong with wanting something easier--it's kind of how society moves forward. —bguirk |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 12:44 PM B: I get mine through the beer of the month club. First I fill out an application, then I send in my addres, then they send me my membership card, then I send in my perference list, then I wait until June when it's golden ale month, then they send me a Samuel Adams, then I complain about it and then they send me a Full Sail. It's really easy! Everyone can do it. Wow, do you honestly believe that to be an accurate analogy to firing up your Outlook Express and getting a file from the usenet? —Full Meat |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 2:04 PM
Edited Monday, February 6, 2006 at 2:06 PM Logo Lou / bguirk: Of course I'm trying to "convert people"! And why wouldn't I... newsgroups are easy but apparently you're assuming they're difficult! The fact that you said web downloads are "100 times easier than newsgroups" clearly indicates that you don't use newsgroups. If you did, you too would realize that it's just as easy as getting it from a web site. Every day I go to alt.binaries.great and download the show. It's almost exactly like going to a particular website address every day, except you go to a particular newsgroup every day instead. How you got the opinion that it's difficult, I'll never understand. —MelonFive |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 3:05 PM
Edited Monday, February 6, 2006 at 3:05 PM I believe they're saying it's only difficult from a relative standpoint. Much as walking three miles is quite humanly doable, and even a skinny dork like me would laugh at someone for whining about having to walk that distance, but driving that distance is significantly easier. It's merely a matter of convenience. The problem is that they no longer have a car, it would appear. —Dark Laith |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 3:12 PM sigh, ok well if it's so easy why don't you explain how to use them right here? i'd like to know anyway, i need my ace. —weather and traffic |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 3:40 PM Maybe because ehansen was 100 times easier than newsgroups bullshit? —Logo Lou I dont get it.....WTF is so hard in using the newsgoups??????????? The newsgroups are so damn easy it's unreal!!!!!!!!!
I use Grabit, easiest newsgroup software available IMO!!!!!! Dont be so damn lazy, figure out how it works, you wont regret it!!! I dont rent movies, buy CDs or have to watch TV shows live anymore, thanx to the newsgroups!!!!!
And lets not forget the mounds upon mounds of porn available on the NGs (newsgroups)!!!!!!!! All you need is WINRaR and QuickPar and your good to go....and you can get all of these app.s free if you look around!!!! The internet shall set you free....."literally!!" —babyivan |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 3:51 PM Wow, do you honestly believe that to be an accurate analogy to firing up your Outlook Express and getting a file from the usenet?
Logo Lou / bguirk: Of course I'm trying to "convert people"! And why wouldn't I... newsgroups are easy but apparently you're assuming they're difficult!
A lot of files on usenet are in multiple parts. I'm not saying loveline is..... The other thing is that you forget that most people don't even know how to set up their e-mail in outlook let alone their news reader (hence to popularity of web-based mail) and as everyone in here has said a billion times not all ISP's carry alt.binaries.erotica.midgetporn or whatever. For me? Yes usenet is easy. I've been using it since '92 or '93 and I would never choose an ISP that didn't give it to me--think of all the porn I'd miss. I can use it with root level internet access. Ask Colin or anyone else who works in support how stupid and computer illiterate the general public is. All they really need to do is RTFM, but no one bothers. Going to a web page and right clicking on something is infinitely easier than setting up outlook to the average user because it's a one step process.. There are newsreaders that make usenet as easy as web DL's, but the initial set up (like the hub) always scares people. I will say this--all of you people who are scared of newsgroups call up your ISP's support line and have them guide you through setup. You're paying for it so you should use it.
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 4:02 PM 1) Open Outlook Express (or type "msimn /outnews" in Start Menu > Run) 2) Tools > Accounts > News tab > Add 3) Specify the name of your news server, probably "news.yourIspName.com" 4) Go to Tools > Newsgroups and select one that carries ACS or Loveline 5) Find a set of posts for a given show. Highlight them, Right-click > Combine and Decode 6) Once the messages are all combined, save it to disk and enjoy. After you have it set up, only steps #5 and #6 will need to be executed when you want new shows. Outlook Express (OE) is generally not well liked as a newsreader, but it meets my needs adequately. —Full Meat |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 4:08 PM Since this discussion is fragmented between this thread and the 2/3/06 TACS thread, forgive me for repeating myself here: The newsgroups are an endless, categorized river of porn. —Full Meat |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 4:28 PM yes, god bless the wonderful porn filled newsgroups. No matter what we do we'll still get posts from people who will be like, "where can I download Lovelines from. The hub is too hard. What's a torrent anyway." I can't do newsgroups or torrents from work (I could probably swing torrents) so the people who put up web pages that allow me to listen to the new shows from work have my eternal gratitude. —bguirk |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 5:04 PM The newsgroups are an endless, categorized river of porn.—Full Meat
RIGHT!!!!! —babyivan |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 8:54 PM
Edited Monday, February 6, 2006 at 8:58 PM GainRider posts the Adam Carolla show to 2 newsgroups. You can check either one: alt.binaries.great
alt.binaries.sounds.radio.misc I subscribe to SuperNews ($6.00 per month) for access. This is sometimes not necessary if your ISP provides reliable newsgroup service (but most ISPs' newsgroup service is spotty at best).
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 9:18 PM Can we shut up about the groups please? Why don't you just post it on Adam's blog already, if EVERYONE needs to know? Jeez, a little discretion, people? Just a f'ing LITTLE? —Prolapse Uranus |
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Monday, February 6, 2006 at 9:36 PM Prolapse, your concern is unfounded. When a message is posted to a newsgroup, news servers communicate with each other to replicate each other's message across the entire network of news servers (the usenet). Thus the usenet is almost impossible to censor in the same way as a single web server. In other words, the usenet one place were we can dance around and flip the bird at copyright holders. —Full Meat |
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Tuesday, February 7, 2006 at 5:03 AM Yeah, but this is like antagonism, BEGGING them to find a way to screw it up for us. It seems so arrogant, flaunting that they can't touch us there, and I'm just saying let's not give them a reason to try, because I'm sure they COULD do something if they HAD to. I've always believed it was on a need-to-know basis, and shouting it from the rooftop can only do harm. First rule of Fight Club, dammit! ;) —Prolapse Uranus |
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Tuesday, February 7, 2006 at 9:52 AM It would near impossible to find a way to stop file sharinng on usenet. If you can get King Kong on there and the powers that be can't stop it you'll be able to get damn near anything. —bguirk |
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Tuesday, February 7, 2006 at 5:56 PM Usenet is pretty much the Teflon of file-sharing networks for a few reasons. As a corollary of what Full Meat mentioned, Usenet sees a tremendous amount of daily traffic where records of downloads are only exposed to the news server and perhaps your ISP. As common carrier businesses, Usenet services and ISPs have a vested interest in keeping their customers happy, which means media conglomerates will have to go to court with non-peons should they choose to actually sift through and decode terabytes of data per day. Uploading content is a little riskier, but seeing as how "scene release" groups prefer content distribution this way, it only verifies the relative security of Usenet. —Mahalo |
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Tuesday, February 7, 2006 at 6:31 PM
Edited Tuesday, February 7, 2006 at 6:38 PM But it does not stop ISPs from dropping groups, decreasing the drop off point, or doing other things to make it harder to use. It will not take long until they do start going after newsgroups. It would probably be damn easy, all you have to do is have one segment go missing, I imagine that would be a pretty easy filter script to write just to randomly drop a segment. Or cap traffic. Just wait, it will happen. Do you think that ISPs want to go to war for a small group of users, that probably are more 'problem' customers (demanding service, high use rates). ISPs are not in the business of keep customers happy...they are in the business of keep customers and making boat loads of money. I am sure that some boutique ISPs would pop up, but with the Telcos now being able to close the door to ADSL competition, and the cablecos often being owned by content creators (and hell, they sell movies for you to watch on the damn TV)...it would be pretty easy to start shutting the door. Do you want to surf newsgroups by 56k? That does not even go so far as to tracking down the posters of the files, or seeding the groups with so much false or incomplete files that the groups simply fall under the sheer volume. It will take a while, since it is not the low-hanging fruit. Eventually they will get around to it though. —Laxdude |
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Tuesday, February 7, 2006 at 8:03 PM My university server doesn't have teh binaries groups on it, so i can't use it. Any other way, I can get it, ive just been using DC++ —rhino369 |
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Tuesday, February 7, 2006 at 8:42 PM Try this...
http://feeds.feedburner.com/blogspot/gnQZ —jaymiles |
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Tuesday, February 7, 2006 at 8:43 PM Yeah... actually most regular ISPs do a bad job of binaries too. So a lot of people sign up for a premium news service, such as SuperNews or GigaNews. I signed up with SuperNews even though my ISP offers binaries, because the completeness and quality of the feeds is so much better with SuperNews.
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Tuesday, February 7, 2006 at 10:22 PM Do you mind if I ask where your source file is from and the bit rate? —Laxdude |
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Tuesday, February 7, 2006 at 11:42 PM Newsgroups won't necessarily be struck down eventually. They're like ineffectual political dissidents.
Will anyone get around to assassinating the members of a hippie political activist group made up of high college students and a handful of old people?
Until you start making the waves that someone like Martin Luther King Jr did, you're not going to get bother with in a democracy. Or anywhere really.
So with newsgroups no-one cares until massive amounts of people use them. The users of such are in about the same numbers as CB radio enthusiasts. For exactly the same reasons. —MajandraFan |
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Wednesday, February 8, 2006 at 12:44 AM The newsgroups have been around the longest and they are the most reliable and there is really no effective way to go after it! The fact of of the matter is that there's not enough people that use it or know how to use it to really cause anybody to go after it! newsgroups = oldschool
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Wednesday, February 8, 2006 at 4:08 AM newsgroups have always been the oldest source of warez. followed by IRC. those two will NEVER get shut down. it's just impossible... —j4k3 |
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Wednesday, February 8, 2006 at 5:05 AM "So with newsgroups no-one cares until massive amounts of people use them." —MajandraFan "The fact of of the matter is that there's not enough people that use it or know how to use it to really cause anybody to go after it!" —babyivan So what you're saying is that we should try to limit the number of people who use the groups, because once it reaches a certain number, they'll HAVE to come after us? Well, one of the best ways I can think of to accomplish that is to STOP TALKING ABOUT FIGHT CLU- er, I mean the groups! Seriously, talking about it only entices more people to try it, putting the total number of users closer to the breaking point, so how about we keep a lid on it, please? Thank you. —Prolapse Uranus |
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Wednesday, February 8, 2006 at 9:12 AM
Edited Wednesday, February 8, 2006 at 9:14 AM Relax Prolapse!!!Our dietribe on how great the groups are is not going to effect the numbers one bit.
The fact of the matter is most people out there are too lazy to sit down and try to figure out how it works. Besides like I said(and most others), there's no real way to to stop them, they have been around the longest allowing people to share all types of illeagal shit and suprise suprise...they are still going strong......but if it makes you feel any better, Ill stop talkin about 'em. —babyivan |
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Wednesday, February 8, 2006 at 4:36 PM Laxdude, I was not speaking about the crappy news services provided by ISPs but rather their connection to the end-user should a media group track someone down back to the ISP through a premium Usenet service. It goes without saying that ISPs couldn't care less about anything related to the business of their own poorly maintained servers. On the other hand, hosts like Giga News, Easy News, NewsHosting, etc. most certainly do not want to fork over any customer's logs. I do agree that the small userbase will prevent it from being a target. It has been around so long that no amount of shouting from mountaintops will somehow let the 'secret' out. —Mahalo |
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Wednesday, February 8, 2006 at 5:38 PM If you are a content owner, you could go after the news groups just as easily as going after torrent sites - and by tracking down the posters of the files Just track the IP and start sending C&D letters. Start off by getting ISPs to either drop, or filter the binaries, probably under the banner of "family friendly"...ie shutting off the most deviant of porn pipelines. So that blocks the casual user. Then you go after the US based Usenet providers the same way, hell, get Congress to pass a law. At the same time, start a smokescreen campaign. Seed the groups with bad quality, mislabeled, or missing segment posts...obscure the real posts. You might not make it go away, hell, open napster servers are still up and running, it is hard to kill...but easy to get most people to stop using what ever system you want to take down. —Laxdude |
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Wednesday, February 8, 2006 at 7:25 PM Ivan, I know it's a losing battle. Hell, people were blabbing about the groups all over the old Stern message board while it was up and we're still here. Still, my reflex is to keep it as quiet as possible, as futile as that may be. I'll keep crying "Wolf" until one actually shows up! ;) It's just that they mean so much to me (and you, I imagine), I want to protect them any way I can, and if the day ever comes that they finally take aim at our beloved groups, I don't want it to be because of something *I* said, or something I watched happen and didn't try to reign in. "The sky is falling!!!" —Prolapse Uranus |
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Wednesday, February 8, 2006 at 8:40 PM "So with newsgroups no-one cares until massive amounts of people use them." —MajandraFan "The fact of of the matter is that there's not enough people that use it or know how to use it to really cause anybody to go after it!" —babyivan So what you're saying is that we should try to limit the number of people who use the groups, because once it reaches a certain number, they'll HAVE to come after us? Well, one of the best ways I can think of to accomplish that is to STOP TALKING ABOUT FIGHT CLU- er, I mean the groups! Seriously, talking about it only entices more people to try it, putting the total number of users closer to the breaking point, so how about we keep a lid on it, please? Thank you. —Prolapse Uranus No, I'm saying this: So with newsgroups no-one cares until massive amounts of people use them. The users of such are in about the same numbers as CB radio enthusiasts. For exactly the same reasons. —MajandraFan Your own private idaho is safe, you loser —MajandraFan |
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Wednesday, February 8, 2006 at 9:32 PM Maj- Listen, just because I quoted you doesn't mean you get to address me directly, weirdo. I say good day. —Prolapse Uranus |
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