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Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 12:12 PM This has probably been discussed before, but I finally saw The Eyes of Nye. It happened to be the addiction-themed episode. Not only did they include footage from Bill's appearance on Loveline, the entire episode centered around Dr. Drew, his thoughts on addiction, and his work at Las Encinas. Good times. No, I didn't record it, but it appears to be available on the hub. Check it out. I was especially fascinated by Drew's "Braveheart" theory. —shroud |
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Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 5:58 PM The theory that alcoholism correlates with populations that have lived under or survived severe oppression..Scots, Irish, Native American, Eastern Europeans etc. —Ovid |
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Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 6:01 PM It's true. I'm Irish and I'm loaded right now. —mikeyfish |
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Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 6:05 PM Wasn't there also a theory that had something to do with crazy people who are incited by battle instead of running away? —chix0r |
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Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 7:43 PM I thought the percentage of alcoholics in a society was correlated to the year into which they were introduced to alcohol. They think that alcohol was created in the Middle East and it spread out. That is why Irish have problems with alcoholism but not as bad as the Native Americans who did where introduced to alcohol in the last 600 years. —Mouraless |
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Thursday, August 4, 2005 at 8:04 PM When Drew was on The Late Late Show, I think he was saying something about how alcoholics were more developed than non-alcoholics because they have survived wars or something. I basically am just reiterating what Ovid said, so nevermind. —mandeemoo22 |
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Friday, August 5, 2005 at 8:59 AM Eastern Europeans —Ovid I thought he cited Central Europeans as an example, not Eastern.
Wasn't there also a theory that had something to do with crazy people who are incited by battle instead of running away?
—chix0r Yes, that was part of the same theory. —Dark Laith |
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Friday, August 5, 2005 at 10:06 AM Okay, but I can't remember the point. What does the "battlelust" gene have to do with the "alcoholic" gene? —chix0r |
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Friday, August 5, 2005 at 10:14 AM
Edited Friday, August 5, 2005 at 10:15 AM I forget exactly what he said, but what I inferred from what he was saying was, being attracted toward the trouble will potentially allow you to defeat your enemy, thereby increasing your survivability, and running away would not only mean your enemy lives and might hunt you down later, but they might start hunting you down immediately, seeing as your back is toward them and they can come right after you, thereby decreasing survivability. So being attracted to the thrill of battle could be considered an evolutionarily desireable trait. —Dark Laith |
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Friday, August 5, 2005 at 10:40 AM I remember that, but what does it have to do with alcoholism? —chix0r |
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Friday, August 5, 2005 at 10:57 AM It wasn't so much about being attracted to trouble the way an abuse survivor is, but more about being able to focus and function under periods of extremely high stimulus. Whereas a "normal" person reaches emotional highs, and functions under "normal" circumstances and would panic in a war like situation, the alcoholic/Braveheart types need extreme stimulation, like getting loaded, to reach these emotional levels. Under extreme oppression and in war, they are able to keep their heads and function/fight. —Ovid |
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Friday, August 5, 2005 at 11:05 AM
Edited Friday, August 5, 2005 at 11:05 AM Yeah, but I think he also mentioned the attraction to thrill and arousal as being directly related as well. That's what I was trying to say. —Dark Laith |
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