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Monday, June 6, 2005 at 10:08 PM Did Adam really just say that Anne Frank's dad was the author of The Diary of Anne Frank? And are they nuts, using the US treatment of prisoners as an example of a positive situation? With over one hundred that have died in captivity and, what, over 1000 that have been illegally held without being charged, for more than a year and a half. What about all the torture of prisoners in Iraq that has been documented, and approved of by the government? Sure it's not 6 million, but still, not exactly a shining example of how it should be done. —TonyInPortland |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 12:50 AM 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11, 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 And Furthermore 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11 9-11. —lundy |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 12:55 AM The shit in Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. We are assholes for invading and treating the prisoners like that. America is showing some Nazi characteristics, and people are too blinded by pro-american propeganda to stand up and ask 'why'. —DrJ69s |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 1:09 AM The Grammar Police is going to kick you squarely in the nuts. —ankiedada |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 4:52 AM Q: What's BROWN and HIDES FROM THE NAZIS?????
THE DIHARREA OF ANNE FRANK
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 5:23 AM Yeah, the prison abuse crap is bullshit. I don't care what happened before, I'm embarrassed as an American every time a new white trash soldier appears in one of those pictures. These are the same idiots who would be in prison here if they didn't join the military. —Beat It! |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 7:12 AM
Edited Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 7:13 AM Anne Frank's Dad came across the diary and writing in the old apartment place they hid in, since Anne had died of typhoid or typhus or something. Anne wrote in the diary she wanted to publish it after so war, so her Dad did just that for her. —Darkfloyd |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 8:48 AM Anne Frank's Dad came across the diary and writing in the old apartment place they hid in, since Anne had died of typhoid or typhus or something. Anne wrote in the diary she wanted to publish it after so war, so her Dad did just that for her. True. Well I imagine her dad found a publisher willing to do so. But he sure as heck didn't write it. —TonyInPortland |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 9:10 AM
Edited Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 9:12 AM The shit in Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. That was my point wrapped in sarcasm. On Anne Frank--Otto Frank kept some pages out of the published version but those have been put back in since his death. The interested folk around here should check out the documentary Anne Frank Remembered--it's really well done. —bguirk |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 10:46 AM When will we start the rioting here over the beheadings of all those people in Iraq? While I'm sure there have been some "improper" handlings of religious items and prisoners, how many heads have we chopped off? Is anyone, like me, still f*cking pissed off about 9/11? —Shocking! |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 10:58 AM
Edited Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 11:28 AM Of course people are still pissed off about 9/11--I'm still pissed off about 9/11. That doesn't mean that nearly 4 years later it's valid or meaningful excuse for every blunder our country makes. If you actually talk to people who went through 9/11 (actual New Yorkers who lost people or who were there) they resent that the rest of the country is using they're personal trauma as an excuse for everything from higher taxes on airline tickets to justification for war. —bguirk |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 11:02 AM GWB isn't mad anymore: "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - G.W. Bush, 9/13/01 "I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'" - G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI "...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...." - Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool,
The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on
official White House site "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02 "I am truly not that concerned about him."
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 11:34 AM
Edited Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 11:36 AM Of course people are still pissed off about 9/11--I'm still pissed off about 9/11. That doesn't mean that nearly 4 years later it's valid or meaningful excuse for every blunder our country makes. —bguirk This is a good point. I liken it to one of the subjects on Loveline. Being a trauma survivor may be a valid explanation for when someone acts out... but it's still not really an excuse to act out, per se. Saying "I was raped by my dad when I was 6" should be followed by "so I know that I'm susceptible to acting out but I'll get help instead", not "so I'm going to act out now". Likewise, you can only say "9/11" so many times before it doesn't matter that it happened, because then it just becomes another excuse for this country to act out. —Dark Laith |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 12:16 PM Did anyone see that episode of Arrested Development where Tobias was asked about his career (or something like that) and he responded with "Well, I hate to blame September 11..." —mandeemoo22 |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 1:33 PM Yeah, but still. Try to differentiate abuse from torture. Some war criminals in Iraq were abused, I have not heard of any torture. —oh-for |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 3:22 PM
Edited Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 3:24 PM It's true (at least, as far as I know it's true, so I'm going to assume it's true) that our offenses have not been as, uh, deviant as theirs have been, but still. America has the whole thing with claiming to be the good guys right now. If we're going to continue doing that, if we really care about the moral high ground, we have to play by the rules. We have to. We could claim that, hey, they don't follow the Geneva convention* so neither will we... and if that's what we really want to do, that's fine... but then we can no longer claim to be the good guys. Doesn't make us the bad guys, just not the good guys, because we would be breaking the rules too. *I bring this up specifically because I have heard right-wing radio talk show hosts saying they don't care if we violate the Geneva conventions based on this exact reasoning... which I find concerning. —Dark Laith |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 8:23 PM Try to differentiate abuse from torture. Some war criminals in Iraq were abused, I have not heard of any torture. Don't have time right now to document what we have done, but this article talks about how we are OK with it: " Washington - U.S. military panels reviewing the detention of foreigners as enemy combatants would be allowed to use evidence gained through torture in deciding whether to keep them imprisoned at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, the government said in court Thursday."
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 11:06 PM Human Rights Watch is the NGO that monitors torture throughout the world. At the moment we are not singled for out and out torture, although we have done some unexplained shit and are walking a very fine line. Peronsally I'd rather we got away from that and became more of a model for human rights--it would probably make our troops job on the ground a lot safer whether you think they should be there or not. —bguirk |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 11:27 PM Yeah, but still. Try to differentiate abuse from torture. Some war criminals in Iraq were abused, I have not heard of any torture. —oh-for Yes we did torture them, in fact the U.S. was using some means of torture that were developed and used by the Nazi's in WWII. The good ol tie him on a plank of wood and dunk him in water 'till he almost dies then pull him back out and ask were he keeps the creamer (I joke about the creamer but the rest is true) —DrJ69s |
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Tuesday, June 7, 2005 at 11:37 PM Who knows? You ever poured yourself a fresh cup only to fine the sugar bowl empty or the creamer all gone? It can drive a man to do crazy things. —Drew, Please |
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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 at 1:08 AM Yes we did torture them, in fact the U.S. was using some means of torture that were developed and used by the Nazi's in WWII. The good ol tie him on a plank of wood and dunk him in water 'till he almost dies then pull him back out and ask were he keeps the creamer (I joke about the creamer but the rest is true)
—DrJ69s
Well, DrJ69s said it, so it must be true.
/sarcasm off On a related note, all of you are invited to a round table discussion with Al Qaeda about the abhorrent policies of the United States. They do have a stringent dress code though, no heads allowed.
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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 at 9:52 AM I love how in the current political climate anyone critical of US policy is automatically catering to Al Quaeda. Very constructive. —bguirk |
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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 at 10:43 AM I love how people misinterpret things to fit what they want to hear, instead of what was said. —Masteel |
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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 at 10:43 AM
Edited Wednesday, June 8, 2005 at 10:48 AM ...anyone critical of US policy is automatically catering to Al Quaeda. — bguirk Yeah, really. Toby Keith would be so proud. Maybe those who support torture and abuse with a child's logic of "they did it first" should realize that you can't then claim American moral or ethical superiority. Because, ironically those whose support that line of thinking are more in line with the Al Quaeda mentality than those who are offended by it. As the hoary cliché goes, you lie down with dogs you come up with fleas. EDITED TO ADD: If that wasn't the point you were making, Masteel, then I misunderstood it as well. And in which case this does not apply to you either. However, there are people out there who do think that way as sad as that may be. —Beat It! |
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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 at 8:04 PM There are some common misconceptions about the prison situation in Iraq, one is that it was limited to stuff like naked pyramids, when that's far from the worst of it. Reports of young boys being sodomized, there's been murder, beatings, attack dogs, rape, the list is pretty extensive. What's probably more important to emphasize, is that the vast majority of the prisioners, I believe around 90 percent, but I'm positive over 70, were not enemy combatents, but people caught in random sweeps off the street, those are the people receiving the brunt of the abuse. —piesore |
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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 at 8:14 PM WIN the war first and then argue about "moral high ground". What a bunch of pussies. Our grandads had to endure and meet out some medieval fucking ass-kicking during WWII, they didn't have the pussy sensibilities to "claim moral high ground" during a battle, they kicked ass, won, and then talked about the rightness of it.
This campaign against the towelheads would have been over long ago if not for these bleeding heart assholes, claiming to hate war, actually prolonging it. You pussy pacifistic liberals make me sick.... —savethebabies |
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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 at 9:08 PM Ummm, no. There is a reason that war was prolonged. You don't just wake up one day and decide to go to war. There are reasons that people would prefer to not go to war, you know, little things like people's lives. —mandeemoo22 |
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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 at 10:08 PM At the risk of being put in a naked pyramid(which would actually be totally hot) I actually don't buy the *premise* of this war... —lundy |
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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 at 11:36 PM It's cool whatever you think about the war... Just let the grownups fight the bad guys, restore order and save the world. The rest of you can go get piercings and tatts and keep on whining about how bad the US is, and how WE CANNOT JUDGE ... —savethebabies |
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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 at 11:47 PM WIN the war first and then argue about "moral high ground". What a bunch of pussies. Our grandads had to endure and meet out some medieval fucking ass-kicking during WWII, they didn't have the pussy sensibilities to "claim moral high ground" during a battle, they kicked ass, won, and then talked about the rightness of it.
This campaign against the towelheads would have been over long ago if not for these bleeding heart assholes, claiming to hate war, actually prolonging it. You pussy pacifistic liberals make me sick.... The whole point of the discussion, moron, is that Adam and Drew were claiming the US is above torture and killing of POWs, when in fact, that is what we are engaged in right now. Whether or not it is OK to do those things was not the topic, although I think most people here, and most people in the country think that it should not be done. As far as the war being prolonged by those against it, how so? How about it having been over by never having been started in the first place? What has been accomplished by nearly 2000 Americans and tens of thousands of mostly innocent Iraqis having been killed? Not even low gas prices. Warmongering, racist people who use the flag to hide their bigotry make me sick. —TonyInPortland |
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Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 12:28 AM Yeah, stb has cornered the market on troll logic. Try explaining yourself without reciting some watered-down talking points that echo the party line. Comparing the situation in Iraq to WWII is ricockulous, it's not even worth discussion. While we're at it, let's just avoid any further losses of American lives by "nuking them off the Goddamn map". Please keep your Neanderthal opinions to yourself. You're entitled to them, but the kiddies are impressionable and we can ill afford them to start rationalizing like a 3rd grader. Any discussion of our involvement in Iraq will resemble a dog chasing it's tail, but those comments are so retarded they warrant a response. —Drew, Please |
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Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 12:31 AM It's important to clarify that a there are a lot of people who are not ideologically opposed to the war, but to how it's been waged. You can go "BLAH BLAH BLAH BLEEDING HEARTS" but it's been the Bush Administration that's waged this war so inneffectively not pussy liberals, like FDR and Truman. Oh wait...WWII. Ok. Generals, and other military officials had criticized the admin before we went in, foreesing the exact situation that's playing itself out now. The whole problem is they've based their entire campaign on ideology, not reality, which is why it's been a disaster so far. Part of their fantasy is doing it for freedom and liberty, which I do think the admin beliesves they're doing, so obviously, anyone opposed to the war is against those things, and hates America, it's not like they want to Admin to get their heads out of their asses. —piesore |
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Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 12:53 AM
Edited Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 1:33 AM Well said. That's a good cliffnotes version. Recent poll results were reported yesterday in the Washington Post (I believe). They reflect the highest disapproval ratings for both Bush and Iraq in quite some time, around 55%. More and more people feel we're "not any safer". This aside, I don't think 55% of the country can be dismissed as "bleeding heart pussies". Get comfortable, folks. We're in Iraq for years to come, and 2 years from now we're going to have one impatient and pissed off U.S. population. Oh, well. God bless the troops and come home soon, yellow magnet ribbons galore for all of them. —Drew, Please |
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Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 8:43 AM I don't understand what the US population thought would happen. Did they just think we'd go in there, bomb them, they would thank us and be eternally grateful, then we'd all live happily ever after and gas would be a dollar? Of course its going to take awhile, especially when we have a president who doesn't really have a plan for Iraq or any kind of exit strategy that we've heard of. —mandeemoo22 |
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Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 9:50 AM
Edited Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 9:55 AM Also, I find it funny that on the one hand many people get mad and blame the government about the fact that not enough was done proactively to prevent 9-11 and bin Laden. And others (many of them the SAME people) think it's deplorable that we attacked Iraq BEFORE they did anything wrong. Had the U.S. waited and Iraq had made a similar attack on us, they'd be hearing from the outraged citizens that we never did enough to prevent Saddam (a person who I don't think anyone can argue did not have a great amount of detest for the Western world and specifically the US and would have gladly used whatever means at his disposal to attack if he was powerful enough) BEFORE hand. It's a no-win situation in many respects. Attack too soon and you’re an aggressor. Attack too late and you’re guilty of not protecting your citizenry from a known enemy. —Beat It! |
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Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 10:48 AM
Edited Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 11:30 AM I love how people misinterpret things to fit what they want to hear, instead of what was said. —Masteel My apologies Masteel but your post seemed to be equating avoidance of torture to appeasement of Al Quada which I don't believe to be the case. We showed we can adhere to human rights and still kick Nazi ass in WWII(*Edit* if you don't count our domestic Japanese) and Iraqi ass in Gulf War Uno so I don't see why we should change now. It certainly doesn't seem to be getting us any closer to "victory." You pussy pacifistic liberals make me sick....
I might be a liberal STB, but I'm far from a pacifist. I actually think we don't use our military enough, but that's another thread. —bguirk |
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Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 2:01 PM SOMETIMES pre-emptive wars are necessary, but they probably aren't a good idea, especially if the rest of the world doesn't support you. —mandeemoo22 |
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Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 4:12 PM The internment of Japanese citizens (in both Canada, and the US) is regrettable, but probably had to happen. At the time, a great portion of the Japanese were on the Pacific Coast - and in Canada mostly fishermen. They were generally a small isolated Japanese only speaking remote community. Yes, some were westernized, but that was not the norm. Children were sent home for education, your body would be sent home when you died. They lived inside 'our' society, but were very much apart from it. Of course it hurt people. Of course for many it was the wrong choice, but it had to be done. The exact same thing would have happened to the German community. But, at least in Canada, the large isolated German population was mostly in the prairies (as were my German only speaking relatives). The only threat they posed was to grain...and cows. They were not exactly in a position to spy on, or act against Allied interest. But trust me, they were watched. Also of note, I knew a family that ran a former Japanese farm during the war. Over the course of a few years, they found very large caches of riffles, ammunition, and a large amount of explosives. This was a rural farm in Surrey, B.C. The land was cleared, most 'truck farms' do not require massive amounts of explosives. Maybe it was different in the US, but in Canada they posed a threat. —Laxdude |
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Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 5:36 PM The internment of Japanese citizens (in both Canada, and the US) is regrettable, but probably had to happen. No, it didn't have to happen at all. I agree that some amount of profiling was inevitable like how Muslims are profiled today, but forcing the Japanese into internment camps was completely wrong and should not have happened. It violated the 4th amendment because there was no probable cause to intern the Japanese. They did not commit a crime and people are innocent until proven guilty and nobody proved that any of these Japanese people were guilty. It was completely unneccessary. —mandeemoo22 |
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Thursday, June 9, 2005 at 11:35 PM Mandee, that would be completely unnecessary. Hash is innocent until proven guilty. BTW, I agree with you- brand me a naive idealist, but aggressively monitoring and persecuting are quite different. —Drew, Please |
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 5:18 AM Try to remember, babydoll, that the rest of the world(ok, like 99%) does hate the US, because we are the last and only superpower in the world. We have it all here and don't really care about anyone else(more or less true.) Our country is not perfect by a long shot, but it IS better by far than anywhere else. Sorry Canadian friends, good beer, nice landscape, and very nice girls, but you guys aren't even close. We have the best of everything, and most places either hate us for it, or want to do what they can to be more like us. —oh-for |
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 9:07 AM good beer? are you high? all domestic beer ive drank was club soda with piss (for color) —Passionate_Man |
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 9:10 AM good beer? are you high? all domestic beer ive drank was club soda with piss (for color) —Passionate_Man Come to Oregon sometime. That said, the best beer in the world is Belgian. —bguirk |
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 9:30 AM My favorite beer is Chester Golden Ale. It's British, which is surprising, but it's rich and smooth. —pookie |
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 9:40 AM Anne Frank and I piss on this thread. Americans do tend to treat prisioners of war better than other countries do, abuses aside. Adam was talking about World War II anyway, not today. (German soliders were treated pretty well, but ironically, American citizens of Japanese descent, were treated much worse.) Still, I'd rather be a prisioner of war under the United States than most other countries. —clodhopper |
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 9:45 AM Worst country for beer? India. —pookie |
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 9:47 AM I didn't even know India had beer...but I guess basically every culture on the planet has its own version. —clodhopper |
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 9:48 AM
Edited Friday, June 10, 2005 at 9:48 AM Anne Frank and I piss on this thread. Piss on this thread if you will Anne, but you're only as good as your last action. Our past record is pretty good if you don't count Vietnam, but the present right now isn't so bright. It started with that "American Taliban" douche and has gone down hill from there. There is definitely a culture of prisoner abuse in the military at the moment. I would not want to be an Arab in American hands. —bguirk |
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 1:23 PM Agreed about the best beer in the whole world comes from Belgium. Ahh, if we could only get everything that they make here. I was talking about Canadian beer. Lebatts blue was one of my favorite bland beer of my youth. Haven't had it in years, but had many years ago. Good water is needed for good beer. Not saying Coors is good, or even beer. Colored water. Thank god for those crazy chinese inventing beer. Who would have thunk. I could hang with bguirk, and some Belgian beer. —oh-for |
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 2:18 PM Screw politics, let's talk Belgium. oh for! You're East Coast and single right? Take your next vacation in Belgium. I went about 7 years ago and all the beer that I pay $7 a bottle for here for special occasions (like Tuesdays) is $1 a pint on tap there. In addition to the best beer in the world they also have the best fries, chocolate, and plenty of tall leggy blondes (at least if you stay away from the French parts). They all speak English better than we do so (again, at least if you stay away from the French), are close to legal pot, and it's all flat so you can ride your bike everywhere. I'll apply for dual citizenship if they ever get rid of their silly monarchy. They have some crazy WWI tours you can go on (a ton of fighting took place in the region) and farmers are still pulling live ordinance out of the ground. Good Belgian beers commonly available stateside: Chimay (my personal favorite)
Stella (not my favorite)
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Lindemans They make nice fruity beers for the laides and you can find them on tap at a bunch of places now. Good Belgian Knockoff's :
Hair of the Dog Rose & Fred
Abbey and Trippel from New Belgium
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 2:38 PM Thanks bg, definItely on my places to go list. What is the best time of year to go there? I'm guessing that October is a hoot there, like most of the region. I was introduced to Lindeman's in NYC a few months ago, and fell in love. I haven't been able to find it in Mass or NH yet. Good times. And right, it was seven bucks a bottle. Although, guinness is pretty steep in a bar or rest. too. Got to get me to Belgium. They must have motorcycles for rent there, right? Yes. Yes. —oh-for |
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 5:14 PM And don't forget the famed Belgian waffles. Also, try to go to Amsterdam. I have friends there and it is a really progressive place to live. Interestingly, they have legal pot and full frontal nudity on regular tv (imagine a soap commercial); and yet, they have fewer rapes and other crimes. Go figure. And Amstel beer ain't half bad. —pookie |
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 6:31 PM Also, try to go to Amsterdam. I have friends there... -pookie
This line writes its own jokes.
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Friday, June 10, 2005 at 7:04 PM We have the best of everything, and most places either hate us for it, or want to do what they can to be more like us. Unless you have traveled extensively throughout the world you can't really say that for sure. Obviously we have one of the highest standards of living, but there are many other countries that could be equal or even better than the US, depending on what you like. If you like to do a lot of drugs, for example, then some Scandinavian countries might be better than the US. If you prefer not to live in a country dominated by a single religion, like this country is right now, there are quite a few other choices. Personal preference, but it is not necessarily easy or inexpensive to move to most other countries
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Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 11:28 AM I could start a political debate but it would just end up with everyone hating me and I'm too tired. The more important question is: What does everyone think about Anne Frank on the first date? —lundy |
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Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 11:32 AM Last month on Stern, they were talking about Natalie Portman and her perfomance in "The Diary of Anne Frank" on some stage in a play. Artie commented that he heard of a review later and during the time that the Nazis came into the house, the audience called out, "She's in the attic!", because they were so appalled at her performance thus far. Nevermind that the story is a old joke because it's goddamn funny. And topical. —Colin |
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Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 6:17 PM LOL!!! I recently decided that I hate Natalie Portman and she is way overrated. —mandeemoo22 |
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Saturday, June 11, 2005 at 7:05 PM She's an actress too? I just thought she took cute pictures. Very funny, Colin. That must have been awesome. —oh-for |
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Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 10:23 AM Last month on Stern, they were talking about Natalie Portman and her perfomance in "The Diary of Anne Frank" on some stage in a play. Artie commented that he heard of a review later and during the time that the Nazis came into the house, the audience called out, "She's in the attic!", because they were so appalled at her performance thus far. That may be true or it may be a joke, but the play ran on Broadway for several months, played to great reviews, and was nominated for a Tony Award. Portman's performance got great reviews. I actually attended a performance of the play and thought that all the actors did a great job, and I thought Portman, carrying the lead part at such a young age, did an especially terrific job. —TonyInPortland |
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Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 12:42 PM Go back and look at Episode 1 to see just how awful Natalie Portman is as an actress. She’s horrible in that. But that may be from George Lucas telling her to use that over the top fake accent dramatic voice thing. She did much better in Episode 3, but she was hardly in it, so that may account for the better performance. She is cute though. That’s a funny story about them telling the Nazis where she was at though.
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Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 12:45 PM There was some movie that I recently saw on ABC Family and Susan Sarandon was her mom. That was really bad. Oh and did anyone else see Closer? She was seriously miscast in that one. I have no idea how she got an Oscar nomination. It must have been a bad year for supporting actresses. —mandeemoo22 |
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Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 12:47 PM she cried in episode3, thats all. did she have a line? oh yeah, "heh-ack- wahhhh" (when darth vader was choking her) thats about it. oh yeah, more crying. and "i missed you", followed by crying. do you remember that 1 scene where she didnt cry? me neither. —Passionate_Man |
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Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 12:52 PM That was the Wal-mart movie wasn't it Mandee? —Masteel |
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Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 11:56 PM
Edited Sunday, June 12, 2005 at 11:58 PM I thought she gave an excellent performance in Closer. As for her Star Wars role, I do think that's a result of horrible dialogue thanks to Lucas. None of the respectable actors in that flick (Jackson, Macgregor, McDiarmid, Neeson) really excelled, all because of the characters/dialogue in my opinion. I thought Hayden Christiansen was horrid in Ep. 1, but he was excellent in Shattered Glass (great movie). This just reinforces my point. EDIT: No, Closer wasn't the Wal-Mart movie. That's "Where the Heart Is". —Drew, Please |
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Monday, June 13, 2005 at 8:32 AM Thanks bg, definItely on my places to go list. What is the best time of year to go there? I'm guessing that October is a hoot there, like most of the region If you're thinking of October Fest (or Oktober) that actually happens in September. Don't ask me why. There is a specific date in September where all the airline ticket prices drop and that's probably the best time to go--the college kids are all back in school, everything is still open, the weather is still nice, and you could probable get over there for under $300 from. The exchange rate sucks right now, but if you buy everything over here in advance (train tickets, hotel/hostels, tours) you can avoid that. —bguirk |
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Monday, June 13, 2005 at 10:17 AM No, Closer wasn't the Wal-Mart movie. That's "Where the Heart Is". I wasn't referring to Closer. I was talking about the one with Susan Sarandon. Is that "Where the Heart Is"? —mandeemoo22 |
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Monday, June 13, 2005 at 10:19 AM Yeah the movie with Susan Sarandon was called "Anywhere But Here." I didn't care for that but "Where The Heart Is" is one of my all-time favorites. —TonyInPortland |
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Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 12:51 PM
Edited Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 12:51 PM I thought Hayden Christiansen was horrid in Ep. 1 —Drew, Please Umm, don't you mean Episode 2? Or perhaps you mean the guy that played Anakin in Episode 1, I forget his name. Because Christiansen wasn't in Episode 1. —Dark Laith |
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Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 3:10 PM Laith, you kinda remind of Anakin...a little. —catloaf |
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Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 3:16 PM Just so you know you’re appreciated ZT, funny picture. —Masteel |
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Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 12:14 AM Laith, you kinda remind of Anakin...a little. —catloaf Interesting. —Dark Laith |
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