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Friday, April 1, 2005 at 6:41 AM I thought this was a topoic a while ago, if anyone knows, and could post the link, I'd appreciate it.
But, I was talking about to someone, and they were trying to explain the virtues of polygamy, which after listening to loveline for the better part of a decade, smells like bs to me. But I can't quite articulate my points, or in my laziness, was hoping you would do it for me.
So, I'd like to open up this topic to a debate about the virtues of one system over another.
Now, I'm not saying we should date and do all that, but it seems like once you have a kid, it will fuck them up a lot more if you keep sleeping with multiple partners. Maybe some statistics on dysfunction in the kids of non married vs married kids woule be good?
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Friday, April 1, 2005 at 7:18 AM There's an excellent book called 'Under The Banner of Heaven' which details a true-life murder of a young woman and her daughter by her husband's brothers due to their Fundamentalist Mormon views. It uses this as a jumping point to look into the rise of Mormonism and also the effect of plural marriage (which is now categorically denounced by the 'official' church but still practiced by the Fundamentalists). Check out the damage and dysfunction common with having multiple wives and children and you'll get your argument why polygamy is only for the chaotic and deranged. And it makes you see just how nutty those Mormons (and for that matter all religious zealots or believers in fairy tales of that sort) really are. And I'm guessing the 'someone' you were talking to was a guy. If so, try floating the idea of being a multiple husband to one wife and see if he's still so pro-polygamy. —Beat It! |
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Friday, April 1, 2005 at 9:36 AM Under the Banner of Heaven is awesome and disturbing. There is a wonderful part where one of the murders places an exit only sign on his ass to keep the Angel Mahoney from raping him. Good times. Polygamy is pretty gross. 1 older man having sex with multiple women (and their daughters). I believe that's A & D's definition of a cult. Perhaps your friend was talking about poly-amorous relationships which don't involve marriage or daughter raping, but more of an open relationship marriage. I've had a couple of friends of friends who have done this and it always ends up with the wife sleeping with a ton of people and the husband getting really jealous. I think MTV did some show about it 4-5 years ago. I'm sure there's some nice articles out there about it too. —bguirk |
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Friday, April 1, 2005 at 10:16 AM
Edited Friday, April 1, 2005 at 10:18 AM Heh, I just prefer to look at specific people who partake in polygamy as examples of why it's bad. Muhammad, for example. Okay, so you hear the voice of an archangel, and you want to marry four women, one of whom is your best friend's daughter and also happens to be prepubescent? Perfectly normal, perfectly healthy! Osama bin Laden, you also want four wives and end up having 60-odd kids and make killing whitey your life goal? Why, this man is PERFECTLY sane! Okay, so anyways. In a more abstract explanation, polygamous relationships can bring about some very harmful emotions. Just look at what A&D say about threesomes, really. Someone's going to get jealous, or try to sabotage something, or view it as a competition. It's really just not healthy. Animals can pull this off sometimes, but humans are meant to be monogamous. (Yeah, even with the "Coolidge Effect" monogamous relationships are still emotionally better.) —Dark Laith |
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Friday, April 1, 2005 at 8:09 PM How about we all just bang each other randomly and never get married? —foob2011 |
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Friday, April 1, 2005 at 10:12 PM perfectly normal, perfectly healthy —Beat It! |
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Friday, April 1, 2005 at 11:54 PM The gamy part is fucked. Why get married then? Why? Why is that? Ah, I don't know.
The more you want her, the less you need to get married. True, n'es pas? —MajandraFan |
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Saturday, April 2, 2005 at 12:05 AM I've always seen marriage as kinda like being engaged to be divorced. And monogamy is good, but marriage makes it so that when she gets sick of putting out, she gets half of your stuff before you can bang someone else. —Santa's Mouth |
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Saturday, April 2, 2005 at 12:16 AM And monogamy is good, but marriage makes it so that when she gets sick of putting out, she gets half of your stuff before you can bang someone else. —Santa's Mouth For the first 4 years of our un-married life, I brought home the bacon while my then girlfirend brought home the bacos. Now that the tech-world/job market is in the crapper it's the other way around. If you want to turn it into a purely monetary transaction marry someone who makes more than you if you're man enough. Sow your wild oats, but marriage rules, and this is coming from someone who thought he'd never do it. When you're married to someone who makes some money you can attain much better "stuff" than you could when you're on your own. 1/2 of the marital assets is better than everything you could do on your own. That's the way taxes, loans, and society is set up.
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Saturday, April 2, 2005 at 12:40 AM Hey, if it's working for you, then I'm happy for you and you should count yourself among the lucky ones. But isn't the divorce rate over half now? And what if your chick decides she doesn't like blowing you anymore? You have no leverage. The second she decides she's done, YOU're done. "Why do chicks smile on their wedding day? Because they know they've given their last blowjob." ;) (And don't have kids, because then your argument for better stuff goes out the window!) —Santa's Mouth |
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Saturday, April 2, 2005 at 2:57 AM Being in a losing situation myself, I have to agree with Adam's assho...ah, Santa's Mouth. Too few women make more than we do, unfortunately. When they start paying 1/2 of their paychecks and losing 1/2 of their assets, I think the whole equal pay thing will be right out the window. —oh-for |
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Saturday, April 2, 2005 at 11:48 AM But isn't the divorce rate over half now? —Santa's Mouth
That's largely (though not exclusively) because of all the retarded people in their early twenties who think they're ready to get married. —Dark Laith |
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Sunday, April 3, 2005 at 2:49 AM Yes the divorce rate is over close to 1/2. Did you know the death rate is 100%? You're gonna die dude so you might as well just not do anything. —bguirk |
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Sunday, April 3, 2005 at 9:51 AM Well, I have my doubts about polygamy. I'm not convinced it's a healthy activity, but I won't assume it's unhealthy 100% of the time. Knowing what I know about human relationships (a lot of which comes from Loveline) I don't believe these relationships are positive. But if they were healthy, I'd have zero problem with them. —clodhopper |
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Sunday, April 3, 2005 at 12:08 PM Divorce rates?
If people were honest and brave, the divorce rate would be about 99.9%.
And the people left didn't need marriage.
If I'm wrong about this, just check the next time a bad or otherwise stand-up makes some cracks about marriage. Everyone laughs because every marriage sucks.
Marriage is a way to keep people together after the relationship has gone sour. And no-one likes things that are sour unless they're meant to be sour, like how lemons are sweet but sour milk is just gross and stuff. —MajandraFan |
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Sunday, April 3, 2005 at 12:49 PM
Edited Sunday, April 3, 2005 at 12:49 PM Yum, blanket assumptions galore. Because you know, if you think marriage sucks and that it wouldn't work for you, then it must be the case that marriage sucks for EVERYONE and that it doesn't work for anyone. This from the guy who ranted about American Cultural Imperialism. I <3 irony. —clodhopper |
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Sunday, April 3, 2005 at 1:19 PM
Edited Sunday, April 3, 2005 at 1:20 PM "Regardless of the cause of it, the cultural imperialism of the USA is revolting and pathetic. It just stinks of propaganda and mental illness." My point remains. Try to keep up. —clodhopper |
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Sunday, April 3, 2005 at 6:30 PM Yum, blanket assumptions galore. Because you know, if you think marriage sucks and that it wouldn't work for you, then it must be the case that marriage sucks for EVERYONE and that it doesn't work for anyone. —clodhopper
Well...I'd be willing to bet that it sucks for Mrs. Theo. Of course, she DID seem to think that crapping out another one of his kids would fix everything.
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