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Sunday, August 1, 2004 at 10:28 PM Ok, heres somthing I dont think anyones looked into. Cue tones that help automate radio stations to play local commercial spots could be used to pause and resume recording. Now of course your station has to broadcast the tones along with the program, not mute them. Look at it this way, or at least how I think it works, fully automated.
The stations Starguide reciever picks up loveline on sattelite. Your radio station is playing music. A 1hz 1 second warning at about 9:59:40PM comes through the stations feed channel. That tone is decoded by a decoder system (WW1 Mutalert somthing like that) tied into the mixer and cart player. That tone gives 10sec silence. Right at the tone your radio station cuts the song, plays its ID "Lovelines on xx.x.." in that 10 sec silence. Another tone after the 10sec signals that the show has started, it then pots the feed up, thus you hear Loveline.
This is what it looks like only hearing it from satt. feed.
1hz 1 second warning -10sec silence - tone - loveline intro. You cant hear the warning and tone becuase of the stations ID is over it so you can use a regular timed start with an atomic clock, about 9:59:45 is close.
But when they break for commercial that isnt on a exact clock the tone that cues the stations local spots to play doesnt mute becuase that tone starts commercials. Nothing is being palyed over it (No cue before it like the 1hz tone). So the tone after the Loveline outro could be used to pause the recording, start a timer for 5min of commercials, then after 5min resume recording. Now I dont think every break is 5 or 4min long but its a pattern, either break #1 is 4min, #2 is 2min, #3 is 4min etc. But once you figure out that pattern its perfect, it would save a tone of time cuz the only commercials to cut out would with the feed before the cue tone, such as Axe spray. Heres wut it looks like:
10:23PM,, "be right back after this" Loveline outro - cue tone - local commercials play 4min - cue tone - loveline Bumper
I've been looking but I cant find any recording software or plug-ins that could decode the cue tones but tell me what you think of the idea. —24/7KROQ |
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Sunday, August 1, 2004 at 10:38 PM Interesting idea... The Denver station doesn't play any of the tone alerts, but it could probably work if you do hear the tones over the air and had the right equipment and/or software. Here is the technical information page concerning Loveline, it may be useful: http://www.westwoodone.com/talk_loveline_tech.htm
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24/7KROQ |
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Sunday, August 1, 2004 at 10:53 PM Ya I've already seen it before. I'm going to google keywords such as cue tones, etc. See what else I can find —24/7KROQ |
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Thomas/Frope |
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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 9:37 AM I asked Anderson about the tones, and he was confused, because he didn't know that the public could hear them. (I guess we're not supposed to, but 96 Rock aired them.) —Thomas/Frope |
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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 2:01 PM If the mutualert tones were always audible, we could use them to pause a recorder. But since they are not reliably transmitted over the air, they are pretty much useless to us....unless someone has access to (or a hacked) Starguide II receiver :) —NJC |
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24/7KROQ |
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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 5:00 PM
Edited Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 5:17 PM Finally somone responds! I listen to loveline on WXTM 92.3 Cleveland Heights, Cleveland. The only cue tone that will always be heard is the one to start local spots. So it would be good to use it to pause a recorder for a certain ammount of time and start again. Ive been looking at some radio automation software and can feel that Im getting close to one that will decode the tones from a non sub audio source I.E the radio while recording it. Also, I just found a device that will generate the cue tones, but not decode them.
http://www.monroe-electronics.com/Products/935A.pdf —24/7KROQ |
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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 6:24 PM Yeah, unfortunately 91X mutes the cue tones, and likewise, my beloved MOJO radio used to only play them about 70 % of the time. It seemed like WEBN in uh... Where was WEBN located? -- Wherever they were, it seemed like they used to play them on a more regular basis, but that of course is meaningless for us since they dropped the show ages ago. But anyway, yes, it would be so fantastic to find a way to automate a commercial-free show -- There's really -- I mean really nothing more annoying than radio commercials -- You next-day kids are lucky 'cause you get the commercial-free option -- You can't imagine the hell that we live-listeners have to put up with -- Holy Christ! -- If I have to hear that fuckin' "Stream-On!" (to the tune of Aerosmith's "Dream On") commercial one more time on 91X, I'm gonna kick myself in the nuts. —steve |
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Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 6:26 PM stream on...
Stream on...
STREAM ON!!!!! —steve |
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Friday, September 3, 2004 at 12:48 PM I bet that gets old, I KNOW that gets old. Loveline on Kroq kroq, Stream on!, Lovelines on 92.3 extreme radio. Cant stand any of it. Anyways, here are the cue tones just incase you wanna hear what they sound like. This is what I hear when they are going to a break (loveline outtro, tone, spot): http://www.buckeyeweb.com/bpatram/personal/loveline/tonesample.mp3
1 Second warning tone played 10 seconds before show starts
http://www.buckeyeweb.com/bpatram/personal/loveline/warning.mp3
This tone is right before the intro of the show starts
http://www.buckeyeweb.com/bpatram/personal/loveline/start.mp3 This tone is played to start local spots, "mutes" the satt. feed. If you hear PSA's and this tone also it may only trigger a station ID.
http://www.buckeyeweb.com/bpatram/personal/loveline/cart.mp3 This tone is played when the alloted time for local spots ends, this will "un-mute" the satt. feed.
http://www.buckeyeweb.com/bpatram/personal/loveline/resume.mp3 For the end of the show I have never been able to hear a tone. The tone I will always hear is the one for local spots but somtimes the other tones get un-muted and played on the air. —24/7KROQ |
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Friday, September 3, 2004 at 1:22 PM Wow! Thats actually kinda cool. I have heard those tones all the time and never knew what they were for. In Fact, I heard those tones last night while I was listening to LL and I remember thinking, "I wonder if those are the tones that guy was talking about" —Juanus |
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