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		puck71 + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:45 PM Edited Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:50 PM This thread is to satisfy my curiousity on how widespread some of the things that Adam and Drew say are Southern California things actually are. I'm not sure the best way to do this, so I'll just post a list of things I can think of and people can respond to whether or not they have them in their area. If you don't want to say where you live, just be as vague as you like (though at least a state would be good because many of these things are state laws). Here's the list (feel free to post more things for the list): Carousels in dry cleaners Electronic speed signs on highways/streets Red left-turn arrows (as opposed to green arrows turning into a left-turn-yield-on-green) Being able to turn right on red (Adam said many people didn't know they could do this because other states didn't allow it) —puck71
		puck71 + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:49 PM Edited Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:51 PM My answers: Carousels in dry cleaners: I don't know what this means, though I've never been to a dry cleaner either Electronic speed signs: I've seen them in both ND and MN for the past few years. Red left-turn arrows: I see plenty of these in both ND and MN as well, though the trend recently seems to be going AWAY from the red arrow as opposed to Adam saying the trend in LA is going the other way. Right turn on red: Perfectly legal in both ND and MN, unless a sign at the intersection tells you otherwise. I see very few people who do not turn right on red if the traffic is clear, and many do so even when a sign says no turn on red. —puck71
		Jeremy + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 6:50 PM Carousels in dry cleaners: Never been to a dry cleaner, so I don't know. Electronic speed signs on highways/streets: Yes. Red left-turn arrows: I'm not quite sure, but I don't think so. Being able to turn right on red: If there's no sign saying you can't, then you can. This is for Detroit, Michigan. —Jeremy
		Trainwreck jm + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 7:21 PM St. Louis & Chicago: Carousels in dry cleaners - I've seen them in St. Louis & Chicago, but only in the larger dry cleaners. They aren't necessary in the smaller, neighborhood cleaners that dominate in cities. Electronic speed signs on highways/streets - Don't think I've seen those... Red left-turn arrows - I've never seen those. Being able to turn right on red - Sure (I thought you could do this everywhere) —Trainwreck jm
		NJC + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 7:28 PM -Boston,MA / New England Area- Carousels in dry cleaners - The motorized thing that goes around with everyone's clothes by order of last name? - Yea, we have those Electronic speed signs on highways/streets - Mostly on non-highways. Pisses me off! Red left-turn arrows - All over the fucking place! Being able to turn right on red - No sign = you can. We also have left-on-red ONLY from a one-way street onto another one-way. I will say that most of the traffic bullshit is NOT in the bigger cities. —NJC
		hick truck + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 8:13 PM I'm from SoCal, but I've traveled all around the country and I've seen everything Adam mentioned in many different states. As usual, Adam and Drew are being provincial. Except for silverware, of course. Outside of L.A., people eat with their hands and feet. It's kinda gross. Thank God I live in a civilized place! —hick truck
		puck71 + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 8:43 PM Yeah, we can left-turn on red from one-way to one-way too, but I only know that from reading the drivers manual. I don't recall ever actually having a chance to do it. —puck71
		MajandraFan + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 10:13 PM All those things are in my city, and I'm in Australia. Although the red left-turn arrow is a right-turn arrow. In this country the roads are as they are in Britain, catering to right-handed people. I guess left-handers are the majority in the States and on the European mainland, either that or you're all just stupid. —MajandraFan
		Logo Lou + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 10:27 PM Yup, I've been around and seen all those things in numerous places. I think Adams just a angry driver (duh). I've never been a road rager, and while I haven't drove in LA, I've drove in Chicago, Detroit, New York, New Jersey, St. Louis, and it sucks in general EVERYWHERE you have a major city and you have to be a man and just GET OVER IT Adam! (Worst was New York, most confusing was St. Louis.) —Logo Lou
		piesore + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 10:47 PM I think they believe these are local to So Cal because they are so ridiculous, they have to have come from the unique cultural climate of the area. —piesore
		Adam's Crows + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 10:57 PM Up here in Northern California all of these things are everywhere. Everywhere I have traveled has everything as well. I have driven across the states mid and furthest south routes. I can only imagine a few stone age dry cleaners with some other system than a carousel. They must not do much volume if they don't have it. —Adam's Crows
		MajandraFan + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 10:59 PM I don't think I would put the word 'unique' anywhere near the word 'culture' in regards to the United States. I just had a thought; at what point did lobotamies become illegal in the US? Or are they still legal? —MajandraFan
		dr ipod + Tuesday, June 22, 2004 at 10:59 PM For the record I too have driven around many major cities and rural areas across the US, and I've found that LA is terrible but actually the worst is San Francisco. Commuter traffic in the city is the most horrendous thing I've ever encountered. LA was bad, once I was on the LA Freeway at like 5pm on a Wednesday, and it took a long time but it moved. Center city SF where the Bay Bridge and GOlden Gate and then all the city traffic converge, however, is the absolute worst! —dr ipod
		roadrage + Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 12:23 AM Utah has carousels in dry-cleaners. I don't recall any electronic SPEED signs. However, Salt Lake DOES have the ones that Steve Martin talked to in that movie. Unlike LA, Salt Lake actually utilizes them, though, AND they post current and useable information on them. We have a mixture of red turn arrows and the yeild on green lights. It is also legal here to turn right at a red light. —roadrage
		puck71 + Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 7:59 AM I really hate to slide off topic, but driving on the left may have catered to right-handed people back in medieval times when people did a lot of drive-by jousting, but in modern times you can't really make that argument. In fact, these days I would argue that driving on the right caters more to right-handed people because in those cars you shift with your right hand, but in British cars you shift with your left, which can be uncomfortable for right-handed people. —puck71
		Farty Face + Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 10:39 AM Everything adam complains about in LA, we also have up here in Northen California. Huel Howser, Lots of mexicans and other minorities, Meter Maids everywhere. We also have the "police state" with the Chicken-S cops writing Chicken-S tickets. My friend just got a DUI because he was drinking a beer at a lake while fishing and his car was within 15 feet of his fishing spot. Even though your not actually driving it still counts as a DUI. The park ranger made him take the breathalizer and he blew a 0.02, which is .01 higher then he is allowd to have due to "Zero Tolorance". After that the park ranger went around to all the other people at the lake and questioned them about beers. I saw him force some family with like 3 little kids running around to open their cooler and show him everything inside just to make sure there was no beer. There only real difference between norcal and socal is how they talk and the slang they use. In NorCal we say "Hella" all the time, and when talking about freeways we say "Take 80 to 50 then get on 101 north". In SoCal they say "take THE 80 to THE 50, then get on THE 101 north". That and the rap music is kinda different. —Farty Face
		mX + Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 11:32 AM also the lunch truck that pulls up and plays "la cucaracha" —mX
		NJC + Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 2:12 PM FF are you F-ing serious? That is really bad. DUI if you aren't driving?????? How the hell does THAT work?! Driving Under the Influence! WTF .02? i fart higher than .02! Cali sounds like a fucking mess! Mass is pretty bad too, as we look to CA for what to do next. yea, I don't know whether you Wes' coas' peeps know that, but out here you guys set the standard for NY/New England. They have these commercials on tv all the time now with some hard-ass cop standing in front of the cruiser: "Massachusetts is serious about saving lives" They can pull you over now for not wearing a seatbelt (before it was only chargable if they stopped you first for something else) and I know someone who got a speeding ticket for 68 in a 65, fought it in court, and LOST! In NY state you can get a $150(!) fine for using a cell phone in a motor vehicle. WHAT THE FUCK! Do they REALLY need to hold our hand through everything? Can't we make some decisions on our own? Also, what about jay-walking like in burbank, eh em, excuse me, RAPEBANK? I have NEVER known anyone who got a jw ticket. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? —NJC
		Saffeau + Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 2:27 PM I've never got a ticket for jaywalking, although I've had cops threaten to give me one. I have a friend who lives in the town of Walnut Creek, in northern Cal, who says the cops there are always handing out jw and parking tickets as part of a revenue-generating racket. I hope people stop shopping there and the town goes broke. Serve 'em right for being a bunch of extortionist dickheads. —Saffeau
		NJC + Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 3:02 PM what, saff?! -- are u agreeing with me? :) —NJC
		prick stuck + Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 3:19 PM Me neither, njc. Never been given a jaywalk ticket, never been threatened with one, never even known anybody who got one. It must be some kind of urban legend. —prick stuck
		Proc + Wednesday, June 23, 2004 at 4:53 PM Farty Face, just out of curiosity, what park was that at? I do agree that NorCal is just as bad as socal. I was laughing my ass off the other night when he was talking about the shopping carts with the poles bolted on. As far as cops go, I know people that have gotten jaywalking tickets up here. And after having to pay $400+ this spring for a chicken-s "violation" (that I watch cops commit daily) I'm about ready to join Adam and Drew with the truck full of fertilizer. —Proc
		Adam's Crows + Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 1:41 AM Edited Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 1:49 AM The few cases I have known of regarding jaywalking tickets (not in LA) have been in problem areas where jaywalkers upset the flow of traffic and present a safety hazzard. My mother was a legal secretary and got a jaywalking ticket in front of the courthouse. I know they routinely stakeout areas for ticketing just like they do with known streets where people routinely speed. LA is a fairly defiant society. It is a war between varying degrees of defiance and varying degrees of law enforcement. Speaking of San Francisco, ipod, every intersection up and down Van Ness has a pan handler standing in the center divider. And you hit a disproportionate number of reds so you come away thinking The City is lined with homeless people. That's not too good an impression for such a worldly destination. —Adam's Crows
		Farty Face + Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 8:35 AM I was at Folsom lake up here in Sacramento. I think the new NO BEER law might apply to all California lakes but im not sure. It was one of Gray Davis's ideas for getting more tax money. Too bad Arnold didnt repeal it. Once when I was 19 years old I was at a party. The cops showed up and walked inside. I was holding A bottle of beer in my hand. The cop saw me and grabbed me and threw me against the wall. He then started yelling at me and threatening "I Could take you to jaill right now!!!". He then wrote me a ticket for MIP (minor in possesion). The fine was $175 and I lost my drivers license for a year. All that for drinking 1 bottle of beer at a party. The worst part is that about 2 years later I got pulled over for speeding. The cop ran my license and found that I had a warrent out for my arrest. The stupid courthouse made a mistake and misfiled my paperwork, and claimed I never paid my fine, so they put a warrent out on me. I had to goto jail for 3 days, and when I went before the judge he said "hmmmm... well you were arrested because it says you didnt pay this fine, but according to this you actually DID pay the fine. Ok your free to go". Walnut Creek sucks ass. I used to live there. For a city with almost no real crime what so ever they have a retarded amount of police officers. The only thing the police in that town ever do is give out traffic tickets, fuck with people at bars, and break up high school parties. I once heard on the news about some town (forgot the name, not even sure if its even California either but it sure sounds like it), where the cops went into a bar and forced everyone at the bar to take a breathalizer. Then they gave everyone who blew over the legal limit a ticket for drunk in public. When I hear about shit like this, it makes me want to go buy a high powered rifle and live out in a shack in the woods. —Farty Face
		NJC + Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 11:28 AM Mental Note: NEVER go to California, got it. Does Folsom lake have anything to do with Folsom Prison (by the late Johnny Cash)? He had to shoot a man in Reno (just to watch him die) to get there. Sounds like now all ya gotta do is drink 1 beer. So the judge just says you are free to go? That's nice. They way I see it they OWE you. IMAGINE if it was the other way around and YOU made a mistake! —NJC
		dr ipod + Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 2:29 PM For the record, underage drinking of any kind is illegal everywhere in the US. Even if youre at a party with alcohol and theres underage drinking going on, you can get arrested even if youre not drinking. Laws all depend on the actual cop, how much theyre getting paid, and how nice you are to them. —dr ipod
		puck71 + Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 3:27 PM Yeah, Minor in Possession laws nationwide are pretty strict. California's may be more steep than most, but pretty much everywhere there's gonna be a hefty fine and some suspension of your license, depending on how many offenses you've had. —puck71
		hick truck + Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 3:50 PM Shouldn't that be "more steeper"? —hick truck
		Adam's Crows + Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 11:39 PM Folsom and the prison are in the vicinity of Folsom Lake. Folsom is actually a nice little town. San Quentin, another maximum security prison, is in the vicinity of some of the wealthiest regions to live in the SF Bay Area. If you are lucky, your cell may have a million dollar view across the bay to the SF skyline. Walnut Creek may have less crime because of a reputation developed because of law enforcement behavior you described. I was called up for jury duty a month ago. The judge was full of herself spouting off quips and subtle sarcasm nit-picking everyone's circumstances insuring every last person remained eligible for the pool. This was a judge who loved to judge. She had no scrupples about sizing you up and making presumptuous statements about which she could not possibly know. On the flip side, the previous time I was summoned the judge was very respectful and meticulous about making sure everyone was treated well and processed efficiently so we would not regret the experience anymore than many already did. —Adam's Crows
		Farty Face + Friday, June 25, 2004 at 7:37 AM Wallnut Creek never had any crime. Back when I was in Jr. High, the police force only had 2 patrol cars out on duty at a time. There was only like 10 officers for the whole city. Then when I got to highschool that number went through the roof. I think now they have at least 10 patrol cars on duty. The crime rate has not changed. —Farty Face
		Adam's Crows + Friday, June 25, 2004 at 4:56 PM Wallnut Creek never had any crime." —Farty Face You're mistaken, I was referring to Walnut Creek. —Adam's Crows
		Farty Face + Friday, June 25, 2004 at 9:17 PM You're mistaken, I was referring to Walnut Creek. —Adam's Crows oh im sorry. did I say "wallnut creek"? I ment homosexual faggot rim jobbin poopy penis. Please enlighten us since you are an expert in this field. —Farty Face
		Adam's Crows + Friday, June 25, 2004 at 10:14 PM Edited Friday, June 25, 2004 at 10:15 PM Is that supposed to be clever wit? —Adam's Crows
		Pan Pan + Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 2:10 AM Farty's hostile homophobic energy is turning Pan Pan on. It is Pan Pan's experience that people who angrily spew constant faggot-hatred go off like a rocket when they finally get a taste of those juicy forbidden fruits and just won't stop till they've buggered themselves senseless...leaving the open partner deeply satisfied and the closeted one deeply conflicted. Dangerous, but the thrill is incomparable. Yes, Pan Pan will fart on your face if you want it bad enough, baby! —Pan Pan
		Farty Face + Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 10:56 AM Edited Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 10:58 AM Is that supposed to be your comeback? lol u smell —Farty Face
		roadrage + Saturday, June 26, 2004 at 11:08 PM This is an update from my previous post. I finally listened to the episode Adam referred to the electronic speed signs. I wasn't thinking of a portable speed sign when I first responded. Of course Utah has those stupid contraptions, as well as all other 49 states. I didn't realize how often Drew refers to things as being "only a California thing." Now that it's been emphasized, I tune more into those comments and find it more and more irritating. Thanks a lot people! —roadrage

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