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Monday, June 14, 2004 at 3:50 AM
Edited Monday, June 14, 2004 at 4:07 AM Dr. Helen Morrison has studied 80 serial killers and even has John Wayne Gacy's brain in her basement. She says scientific study shows genes, not child abuse, may be strongest source. I am just wondering what Drew would think of this. She said that the common pathology was thought to point to some form of abuse as a child. Some of these people have not been abused. Her research points to genes. Drew does work with a select group and hardly an objective cross of society. It is interesting to consider that some people are simply screwballs out the shoot. I realize Drew acknowledges this but in some cases he is convinced there is always some abuse somewhere that is a source for the behavior. I know I have stated this with many holes. There is more to this story and I have not described Adam or Drew's position well either. And, of course, Drew doesn't work with serial killers. I just wanted to present this author's idea and consider Drew's theory.
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Monday, June 14, 2004 at 8:46 AM This isn't really new, or at least not unexpected. A lrage percentage of serial killers have Anti-social Personality disorder, which was speculated to have large number of factors contributing to it. Its one of the "cluster B" personality disorders (that are so often seen in drug addicts), and usually occurs in males. Basically, people with APD don't classically condition well -- the part of their brain that "produces" anxiety doesn't work. When they get the impluse to cut off someone's toes, deep fry them, and serve them as orderves at their next cocktail party -- nothing in their brain "scares" them away from doing it. APD is synonymous with sociopathy, and psychopathy -- its the currently clinical terminology to describe the conditions. —ZT |
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Monday, June 14, 2004 at 10:41 AM What's the correct clinical term for people who post under multiple identities, ZT? —Saffeau |
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Monday, June 14, 2004 at 1:35 PM I believe that would be schizophrenia. —Jeremy |
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Monday, June 14, 2004 at 1:35 PM MPPD?
Multiple Personality Posting Disorder? —NJC |
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Monday, June 14, 2004 at 1:42 PM I haven't read the book, but the article you linked to doesn't mention genes at all.
I found some articles which mentioned her genetic theory, but it seemed to imply that its only her theory, and I'm not sure what exactly she's basing it on.
There is some evidence that points to genetic components to behavior. But Drew would never say there isn't! (Addiction is defined by behavior too, isn't it?) "Research suggests that for some youth with early onset behavior problems, genetic factors strongly influence temperamental predisposition, particularly oppositional temperament, which can affect experiences negatively. When antisocial behavior emerges later in childhood or adolescence, it is suspected that genetic factors contribute less, and such youths tend to engage in delinquent behavior primarily because of peer influences and lapses in parenting. The nature of the child's social environment regulates the degree to which heritable early predisposition results in later antisocial behavior. Highly adaptive parenting is likely to help children who may have a predisposition to antisocial behavior. Success in school and good verbal ability tend to protect against the development of antisocial behavior, pointing to the importance of academic achievement. " Futhermore, I gather that she means to say that there is a predisposition, which - like alcoholism - could be triggered by abuse, etc.
This empirically makes sense, given that many people are abused, and not many are serial killers.
Similarly, not everyone with the gene for addiction ends up using.
And as far as the idea that some of them have not been abused, how can she say that for sure? Even if there is a genetic predisposition, something has to trigger it. —joe bloggs |
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Monday, June 14, 2004 at 3:51 PM Wouldn't Drew just say, "They just can't remember the abuse. It happened."? —Danny Gallie |
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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 6:03 AM "What's the correct clinical term for people who post under multiple identities"... Montana/Sassy/Justice... if, you get that, well done!... —salemthepocketfox |
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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 6:55 PM International jewel thieves? Or was "Justice" the only name from "Jay and Silent Bob..."? —steve |
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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 9:00 PM Nip/Tuck- Episode 11: Montana/Sassy/Justice
You can send me out the windbreaker now. —joe bloggs |
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Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 11:33 PM I saw an interview with this woman on a news show earlier this week. She referred to the chromosomes. I wonder if brain damage from head injury or drug abuse (LSD used to be tied to chromosome damage in the anti-drug material) has lead to some serial killer tendencies. I have not read the book. —Adam's Crows |
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Wednesday, June 16, 2004 at 7:56 AM I don't know. I think as long as SV posts under mutiple identities, then we can't judge. :) —ZT |
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 at 7:21 AM Futhermore, I gather that she means to say that there is a predisposition, which - like alcoholism - could be triggered by abuse, etc. This empirically makes sense, given that many people are abused, and not many are serial killers. Similarly, not everyone with the gene for addiction ends up using. And as far as the idea that some of them have not been abused, how can she say that for sure? Even if there is a genetic predisposition, something has to trigger it. —joe bloggs If you begin a temperamental argument, that means you declare somebody being wrong or having done wrong to you. And, what you want to do if you don't use violence is to convince your partner that he is wrong and to make him mend his ways. —ZT-In |
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Thursday, November 13, 2008 at 6:19 PM Srsly. —ZT-In |
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