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Wednesday, June 2, 2004 at 8:10 PM If you're not already using the musicbrainz.org tagger to manage your mp3/ogg/flac audio collections, you really should be. It is the most awesome thing ever. Ever. I really mean it. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, I'M NOT FUCKING KIDDING, TARD-BALL! Go download it. NOW! http://www.musicbrainz.org/ This is really a must for anyone who trades mp3s/ogg/flacs of anything, but will be useful for us if a lot of us started using it. Musicbrainz.org keeps a database of acoustic signatures of audio files (called TRMs). TRMs aren't unique, but are good enough that when combined with the alraedy present filename and ID3 tag, can be pretty good at matching files. If the musicbrainz.org tagger doesn't find a match for a particular file, then you can submit information for it to the site (along with the TRM generated for the file generated on your machine). This is cool, because the more people use it, the more accurate its identifications will get. The musicbrains.org client can then re-tag and and rename all of the audio files in your database. Thus -- making your audio database completely homogenized and correct (or pretty damn close to it). —ZT |
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Wednesday, June 2, 2004 at 8:30 PM What the fuck does this have to do with Loveline? —Jeremy |
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Wednesday, June 2, 2004 at 8:33 PM There are quite a few fans on this forum who have, maintain, and share mp3/ogg archives of Loveline... so it is obviously relevant in that respect. —Kevin U. |
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Wednesday, June 2, 2004 at 8:37 PM There are quite a few fans on this forum who have, maintain, and share mp3/ogg archives of Loveline... so it is obviously relevant in that respect. if they are already doing it, why would they need another program that does it?
ZT, how much is that site paying you to advertise like an idiot on a loveline forum?
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Wednesday, June 2, 2004 at 8:56 PM Kevin, in case you didn't notice, this program only works on music. My initial question still stands. —Jeremy |
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Ty |
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Wednesday, June 2, 2004 at 8:59 PM I'm using it right now...its actually quite useful and I have been looking for a program that will do this for a long time...maybe ZT was trying to be useful...don't knock it till you've tried it... —Ty |
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Wednesday, June 2, 2004 at 9:19 PM I don't care what he was trying to be. This isn't a forum about MP3s or music. It's about a radio show called Loveline. Maybe you've heard of it? —Jeremy |
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Wednesday, June 2, 2004 at 10:20 PM Jermey, I'm sorry that you were molested and/or raped, when you were little... Or maybe that you have something like bi-polar disorder. You are very angry, and need therapy. musicbrainz.org can be used for anything thats encoded as an mp3/ogg/flac/wav, etc. You might notice that people frequently encode loveline episodes are encoded in those formats. If you need a specific example of how this would be useful to a loveline fan on this form, this is what I've been using it for... My primary source of loveline shows used to be trig's FTP server. trig was nice enough to format the filenames and include ID3 tags for all the mp3's he hosted. Lately, I've been getting most of my shows from Osmosis's FTP sever. Don't get me wrong, I love Osmosis, but Trig's archiving standards made it a lot easier for me to organize and keep track of shows. With musicbrainz.org tagging tool, I can easily (and en-masse), convert all the files from Osmosis' server to a format similar to what trig was using.
Not convinced? Want another example? Lets say, god forbid, that trig dies and we lose the lovelive database. If all the shows are tagged and on the musicbrainz TRM server, with a mis-labeled file you could still get the correct airing date, hosts, guests, etc, for the show.
I'm telling you about it because, in this case, accuracy requires fraternity. The more people use, and correctly label, their audio files -- the better, more accurate, and useful, the database will be.
After all this, if you can't see the potential usefulness of a tool like that...
Then, well.... Fuck you. Your ignorant bitching offends me. Have a coke, and a smile, and shut the fuck up. —ZT |
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Wednesday, June 2, 2004 at 11:03 PM Hey Jeremy, Why is it so important that you insist on meddling in everyone's business whenever you don't think it fits into your personal preference? Who the hell are you? Just admit it. If this isn't your forum, shut the fuck up and get a life. —Adam's Crows |
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Wednesday, June 2, 2004 at 11:25 PM This is a little out of place, but who cares. For the record thought I like MP3ext a lot more. It's not connected to a database or anything and it doesn't rename files, but it's easy for tagging bulk mp3s. Just google 'mp3ext' and you will find it. It's not really a program either, it's in Windows Explorer when you click properties on your mp3s. From there you can fill out tons of info, for just 1 or multiple MP3s. —dr ipod |
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Wednesday, June 2, 2004 at 11:42 PM
Edited Wednesday, June 2, 2004 at 11:43 PM I used MP3TagStudio and it worked pretty good for me. The downside of changing the ID3 tags, though, is that it messes up P2P sharing (since now the file is modified from it's original state, and people looking for the original can't use the new one). (edit: spellling) —Trig |
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Thursday, June 3, 2004 at 4:56 AM
Edited Thursday, June 3, 2004 at 5:07 AM "What the fuck does this have to do with Loveline?" —Jeremy What is your problem? There's a post about Smart vs. Happy and Smart beating up Happy. It's titled something about "not the eavesdropping bit." I'm not saying your smart! Something else to get out of the Adamism is that you need to lighten up and allow a good moment to enter your narrow mind. This thread is just a recommendation of something another fan wanted to share with us. We are his friends. That's good not bad. Go on, take the plunge and relax. You might meet Happy. Just don't be disappointed if Smart still doesn't want anything to do with you. :-) —Cracked |
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Thursday, June 3, 2004 at 5:22 AM ZT fucking owned Jeremy —Wugie |
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Thursday, June 3, 2004 at 8:28 AM The little bitch couldn't even spell my name right. If you're going to "own" someone, at least have the decency to spell their name right. Jesus Christ, go eat some more cock. Although I am honored that ZT wasted all that time to type up a post "owning" me, and I won't even bother to read it. If you can't even spell my name right when it's sitting there right in front of you, your post doesn't deserve my time. Not that any post from a whiny bitch like ZT would ever deserve my time, but that misspelling just killed it immediately. Have fun basking in the praise from all of your Loveline Companion butt buddies, ZT. —Jeremy |
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Thursday, June 3, 2004 at 1:13 PM Looks like your spending more time than he is. —Wugie |
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Thursday, June 3, 2004 at 1:39 PM How do you figure? —Jeremy |
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superhew |
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Thursday, June 3, 2004 at 2:53 PM well, as long as we are on the topic.... the tagging database works only on files that match an exact copy from your computer to the db. so, if there are 10 different copies of one episode, all different, and only one is on the database, then the other nine dont matter. if you need a tagger for your own personal use, maybe that is a good program, but i personaly prefer musicmatch, because it not only tags massive amounts of files at a time, but it plays music, rips cds, encodes files, burns cds, and has access to online radio. jeremy, just ignore the fact that its off topic. there are other threads that are related to loveline you can read. just pretend this one isnt here. it will all work out. i promise! —superhew |
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ZT |
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Friday, June 4, 2004 at 9:03 PM the tagging database works only on files that match an exact copy from your computer to the db. so, if there are 10 different copies of one episode, all different, and only one is on the database, then the other nine dont matter. Not true. It gives you a relevance percentage, based on the acoustic signature, filename, and tagging information. Moreover, it collects TRMs generated from your mp3s/oggs/flacs/wavs and saves those in its database so the future matches can be more accurate. Its also worth noting that a TRM is different than something like a MD5 sum. If you have ten different "versions" of an episode (say from 10 different stations with different station IDs, and maybe with different commericals, or without commericals) all the TRMs won't be exactly alike, but will be pretty close. So, its very likely that if you set the percentage for a TRM match to something like 80%, it would still recognize the files as "duplicates." —ZT |
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Friday, June 4, 2004 at 10:06 PM and i have 3 penises.... the only way i can see the remote database being able to match up with a local one, is to match the tags. but if your file is already tagged, why would you need another shitty program to tag your files? and no, it cant jsut magically read the acoustic signature and match it up. and the filenames are different from every source. some have the guest names, some or just the date written out, some say loveline and the date, and some might only have the guest. now, how can you expect a program to match it up with filenames? have you ever used this program? i think you might be disappointed with it if you try it.
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Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 6:50 AM
Edited Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 6:50 AM the only way i can see the remote database being able to match up with a local one, is to match the tags. but if your file is already tagged, why would you need another shitty program to tag your files? A.) Your files are tagged incompletely or incorrectly. The musicbrainz client can generate an acoustic signature for your file and use that to find likely matches in its database. If you trade files on kazaa or other P2P networks, you'll notice that files are mislabeled all the time, or don't contain all the information about a particular file -- what album its from, etc. B.) To homogenize the tags on your files. This would be useful, because most duplicate checking programs work by comparing tags and/or filenames. If two songs are the same, but have different filenames and tags, its less likely that duplicate checking software like plCleaner, will recognize them as duplicates. and no, it cant jsut magically read the acoustic signature and match it up. Thats the point. It doesn't "magically" match the files up, it gives you a percentage of relevance between a file at its best potential matches. It wouldn't be a useful tool if it didn't, because files are rarely exactly the same. The more they're traded, the more entropy is introduced.
the filenames are different from every source. some have the guest names, some or just the date written out, some say loveline and the date, and some might only have the guest. now, how can you expect a program to match it up with filenames? Like I said, the acoustic signatures will be very similar, and the file name will still give you some indication. With the two of them, its very likely that one of the matches it spits out will be the correct file. The more people use it, the more likely that becomes. have you ever used this program? i think you might be disappointed with it if you try it. At KBFR, our filesever is a 450 GB RAID array which is nearly filled to capacity with music. We've known for a long time that theres a high level of redundancy on the sever -- in terms of duplicate songs. Believe me, I've tried every half-broken MP3 library management piece of shareware on the net to try and clean our server up (spotting duplicates, detecting mislabeled files, etc). The musicbrainz.org client is the only software tool that I've found to be useful. I wouldn't be telling people to use it if it hadn't been the best thing to ever happen to our library. And, like I said, the more people use it, the more TRMs it collects for every identified song, the more accurate it gets. —ZT |
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Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 10:13 AM oh my, a 450 gb RAID array (probably in RAID 0). my computer is in a 540gb RAID 5, so your gay station can suck my cock. you dont have a clue what your talking about. you obviosly dont know what a fucking acoustic signature is, because two recordnigs from 2 different sources cannot jsut somehow have close signatures. go read some fucking books about this shit. your program is a peice of shit. and im starting to agree with jeremy that this thread doesnt belong on this forum because it sounds like you advertising for this program. get a clue! —superhew |
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Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 11:03 AM SHUT THE FUCK UP. The GodDamn software works, i tried it. maybe you should try it and find out. shut the fuck up all you idiots who say shit when you have not even tried it. —Johnny |
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ZT |
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Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 5:15 PM Superhew, you are one angry dude. —ZT |
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Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 6:17 PM johnny, you idiot, i have the program. i wouldnt accuse zt of idiocy if i hadnt tried it first. zt, im only angry with flaming noobs. they make me very angry. not because they are noobs, but because they are flamers. so stop being a flaming noob. i have nothing against you, just your rediculous post. —superhew |
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Sunday, June 6, 2004 at 12:56 AM Superhew, you really are a fucking asshole. I can seriously see you growing up and working for the DEA, MPAA, RIAA, FCC, or The Pederasty Advocacy Association of America (PAAA). I didn't flame you (until now). I still like the program. It would be cool if more people used it. You're too retarded or self-righteous to admit that you're wrong about it. You don't have to use it. The rest of us can enjoy more oraganized music libraries. Go suck Jack Valenti's cock. —ZT |
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Sunday, June 6, 2004 at 1:29 AM Dude, you left out "publicist". —steve |
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superhew |
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Sunday, June 6, 2004 at 8:06 AM " I can seriously see you growing up and working for the DEA, MPAA, RIAA, FCC, or The Pederasty Advocacy Association of America (PAAA)." ok i dont know where this is coming from, and it doesnt make any sense. but, i dont believe i would work for any of them, because i download a lot of music and movies myself, so i probably wouldnt be fitting for the job.... i dont care if you like the program. i have a problem with you advertising a shitty program. there is also a difference between recommeneding, and advertising. lets look at your original post- "If you're not already using the musicbrainz.org tagger to manage your mp3/ogg/flac audio collections, you really should be. It is the most awesome thing ever. Ever. I really mean it. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, I'M NOT FUCKING KIDDING, TARD-BALL! Go download it. NOW!" ok that is just the beginning. you tell us to download your program because your not fucking kidding and we are all tardballs. maybe if you could have toned that down to a recommendation, telling us about how it works, what its good for, etc... then i wouldnt be so mad. but you said it was the ultimate program, i tried it, it sucked, you suck, your an idiot, the end. —superhew |
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Tuesday, June 8, 2004 at 2:45 AM i download a lot of music and movies myself... Yeah, movies of little kids having sex with old men in ape constumes. Pederast. I can see you, about 20 years from now, standing behind a PAAA podium infront of a crowd preaching about 8 year old dick, and ending your speech with "from my cold dead mouth." —ZT |
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