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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 9:36 PM Had multiple kidney stones a few years back. Took some vicodin, got a bit dizzy, but not numb or tired and the pain was still full on. Had to go back to the hospital, got two shots of something the name of which I don't remember that did nothing as well. Finally got a shot of demerol... THAT did the trick. Hurt my shoulder a bit later and decided to try the vicodin I had left, again, felt nothing, not even the dizziness. Apparently I was a heavyweight and never knew it. Maybe I need to start drinking and doing heroin. —Logo Lou |
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 10:51 PM All my friends are crazy about Vicodin. I realy could care less. the last 4 times I took it it made me sick. I felt like i wanted to throw up. It didnt fuck me up at all. Way way over rated in my opinion. —Farty Face |
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 10:56 PM it's pretty fun for me, but I think it is not really abused as much as people tend to think, people have to take a lot to get high and there is so much tylenol that you can fuck yourself up pretty bad. I think the publicity it gets might have to do with emimen mentioning it, but who knows —mX |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 12:59 AM Adam was right in this argument between Drew and Adam. Drew accused Adam of being stubborn and closing his mind when that was what drew was doing. You can like and miss Vicodin and not be an addict. Vicodin makes me feel happy. Why wouldn't I like it and miss it if I had it over the course of few days? I can leave it and don't go looking for it. If it makes you feel good, it is a normal reaction to miss it a little initially when it isn't available. It's no different than skipping then missing dessert if you like it. I don't want to go deaf either -a common side effect. —Adam's Crows |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 7:59 AM Ummm, if the Vic's dont work for you, how about you share them with the "less-fortunate" (wink wink, nudge nudge) Like Adam says, you have to nuture that pill/seed with booze, so it can grow into a mighty oak of F'ed up —illyB |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 8:29 AM But that's Drew's point! While somewhat lame, it's also irrefutable. Since you quit, you are NOT an addict. The only people who get addicted to drugs, per Drew's keen insights, are addicts! While obvious, it's also undeniable. Kind of like people who believe in fate. Whatever happens was fated to happen. By the argument's own rules, it's right. Now maybe there's a point to be made for certain people getting addicted to pain killers more easily that other drugs due to a combination of availability, less of a stigma, and maybe even chemical differences, but Drew's point is that if you took Vicodin due to an injury then stopped when you were supposed to, you aren't an addict. If you continue to suck them down adfterwards, then you are. —Lou Cypher |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:25 AM Percocets are awesome. I take one maybe once a month just to feel good. —Wugie |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 2:35 PM But this was frustrating -- all Adam really wanted was for Drew to in essence say, "Yep, those Vicodin sure are powerful.", but Drew wouldn't lay off the addict/not an addict act. It was incredibly passive-aggressive, compounded by the fact that Drew knows that was all Adam wanted. —steve |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 2:53 PM He can be an ass, man, but Drew performs a huge service when he talks about addict/non-addict. I (and my kids) have learned more from him than from any of the drug-free programs at the schools. I've never taken Vicodin. I did take Percocet after an operation once, and I LOVED it. It gave me a drowsy, content feeling. Mmmm, I want to feel like that right now. =) But I ended up throwing the bottle away after I'd taken 3 pills, because the pain was gone and I just didn't need the pills anymore. Guess I don't have the addiction gene. —Joy |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 3:08 PM Thats exactly how percocets feel. —Wugie |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 3:12 PM I once smoked a heroin-laced joint. It was really nice, like being really warm and cozy and feeling that everyone loved you and the world was perfect. I'd like to do it again, but I'm afraid to go out and try to score some on my own. Too many things could go wrong. Nevertheless, I enthusiastically recommend the H-joint to everyone. —Saffeau |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 3:45 PM I had the opportunity to get some Vicodin today, but I passed it up. I'll probably get some tomorrow just to try it. —Jeremy |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 5:19 PM Try extacy laced in Heroin. holy fuckin shit. That was the BEST night of my life, and I didnt do a god damn thing. Just sat in a room. The next day I thought about it and realized that: Sitting in a room for 6 hours doing nothing was "the best night of my life"??? How fuckin stupid is that?
Never done either drug again after that. They were TOO GOOD. People are not supposed to feel that way. Its not natural.
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 5:36 PM Whoa! x and heroin laced! thats insane! i smoke pot every once and a while, and shrooms if someone has them, but i could never do h, or x, or h and x together. your the man! —superhew |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 7:15 PM "all Adam really wanted was for Drew to in essence say, "Yep, those Vicodin sure are powerful.", but Drew wouldn't lay off the addict/not an addict act. It was incredibly passive-aggressive, compounded by the fact that Drew knows that was all Adam wanted." -steve I Agree. Drew would not relax and admit that a drug can feel good to people and it has nothing to do with being addicted or not. It is black and white to him but that is far from reality to people that know from personal experience and who have seen people around them react to them. Certain drugs are designed to make you feel good. Xanex for example is a relaxer so you feel comfortable and want to relax. If it does what it is supposed to do, you are not addicted because you like feeling relaxed and comfortable and when you run out you miss it. If you get used to a massage and then don't have one you miss that too. Drew would refuse to see the similarity and would never admit it. He would say you are addicted to massage if it were not so rediculous.
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 7:37 PM Drew is a propagandist enforcing an ideology. All drugs are bad, all users become addicts, treatment requires invasive medical supervision and coercive twelve-step programs. Surrender to Doctor Drew, accept everything he tells you, even about non-medical stuff. Disagree with him at risk of pain and death. Unless you submit completely, you are in denial. Read Foucault, people. —sick fuck |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 10:20 PM I feel I should clarify. I have used opiates for years to control my searing headaches. I admit these wonderful medications give me a wonderful lift and take the pain and just throw it away. I'm also forced to use increasingly larger doses to attain effective relief. That's only a natural adjustment process everyone goes through when using opiates. But I have never had a problem, nor have I ever become addicted, although Drew would obviously, in his doctrinaire way, insist that I had a problem. Despite what Drew would say, I function superbly and carry on an active social life in spite of my disability. In other words, there are no consequences, other than blessed pain-relief, stemming from my daily dose. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, Good Doctor Drew! —sick fuck |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:03 PM
Edited Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:14 PM "...But I have never had a problem, nor have I ever become addicted, although Drew would obviously, in his doctrinaire way, insist that I had a problem. Despite what Drew would say, I function superbly and carry on an active social life in spite of my disability. In other words, there are no consequences, other than blessed pain-relief, stemming from my daily dose. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, Good Doctor Drew!" —sick fuck That's what every addict thinks at the beginning though. And, how do you know you are not addicted when you are taking them for pain? How often do you need them for pain? Consequences are often hidden from people and there is always a stage of denial: Not me, I'm impervious or invincible or the exception or super-human or above and beyond that... You just joined and you have rapidly demonstrated that you are a loose cannon. Your education has not taught you self-control. You have quickly run out of intellect and are about to stoop to yelling "fuck you!" You act like an addict. —Adam's Crows |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:23 PM Nonsense. Drew has clearly defined what he means by consequences. I've never been arrested, I've never lost a family or house, I've never found myself doing desperate things to acquire my medications, all of which are legally prescribed, btw. I take them only as needed for pain, and never for anything else. The fact that they also make me glow is just a very pleasant side benefit that I can enjoy without falling into legal or personal trouble. I am living proof that Drew does NOT know what he is talking about. —sick fuck |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:29 PM Drew knows what he is talking about he is just narrow-minded sometimes. If he were able to talk to you he would have more to say than the blurbs we hear that apply to specific circumstances. It isn't fair to say he does not know what he is talking about. That is irrational. —Adam's Crows |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:35 PM As a medical student, we've been taught over and over again that opiates should NEVER be used to treat headaches, even migraines, and especially never to be used "as needed" in any case. So either your doctor is not well-informed of current prescribing practices, or you're obtaining these narcotic medications for a different problem. Plus you said you take a daily dose of them. So which it? A daily dose, or whenever you have a headache ("as needed")? And you've been taking them for years? PPM
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:43 PM I take them "as needed" (that's what it says on the label), which turns out to be almost daily. My headaches and shooting pains down the back are quite excruciating, but my meds work wonderufully to stop pain dead in its tracks. They are working right now, as a matter of fact, thanks to which we are now able to correspond so warmly here on this most excellent forum. As you can see, they are NOT affecting my judgment, which is, and always has been, first-rate (or else how would I ever have gotten into such outstanding institutions as Yale and UCLA?). But thank you for your concern, young medical man. You are a beautiful human being, unlike some others I could mention here. —sick fuck |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:49 PM
Edited Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:50 PM "...Drew has clearly defined what he means by consequences. I've never been arrested, I've never lost a family or house, I've never found myself doing desperate things to acquire my medications, all of which are legally prescribed..." -sick fuck Drew described the difference between an addict and being dependent tonight. He said an addict's chemistry is altered after being exposed to the drug. They are never the same after. Being dependent, you will experience withdrawal and highs and lows but afterwards you can put them away forever. How long have you ever gone without opiates since taking them? Your mind will convince you that you better take something to ward off the pain and you may be too involved to tell it is addiction. —Adam's Crows |
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Passionate, Passionate Man |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:57 PM
Edited Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:57 PM Well I'm assuming you developed these headaches after a traumatic head injury? The mechanism of pain has been studied and it is believed that posttraumatic headaches possess the same etiology as migraines. Therefore, analgesic overuse has been indicated as the causative factor in 75% of rebound headaches, especially with long term opiate use. It's very possible that your daily use of opiate analgesics is what causes the headaches with back pain. And narcotic analgesics rarely cause a lapse in judgment or cognitive function. Rush Limbaugh was (is?) addicted to opiates for a long time, and nobody could notice adverse effects on his national radio show (sans the hearing loss). PPM —Passionate, Passionate Man |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:57 PM Thank you, young man. You seem so much more agreeable than certain unpleasant people I could name (but won't). I would certainly go without my beautiful meds if the pain would ever go away for more than a day or two. It's not as if I really need them aside from pain relief. On those blessed days when I'm not in pain, I function splendidly and don't HAVE TO use them to get high (although I have occasionally done so to make a dull social event more tolerable). Many times I have gone without, as long as the pain doesn't return. Those "free" days are fewer now than they used to be, say, four of five years ago. But since I need my wonderful meds anyway, and they also make people and situations nicer, why shouldn't I enjoy them, huh? —sick fuck |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 12:01 AM No, young medical student, I think I will take my own certified doctor's advice over the advice of someone who claims to be a mere medical student on the internet. If there were a problem, my doctor (who has been practicing for twenty year) would inform me. Thank you anyway for your advice, but I have enough common sense to stop or seek help if needed. —sick fuck |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 12:07 AM I'd love to stay and chat some more with you pleasant people (so much nicer than those earlier encounters with certain others I will not mention again), but I'm getting very drowsy now and besides I feel too fucking happy right now to bother answering silly questions from all you silly liberals. Life is too short, and I've got a nice porn video I like to drift off to. 'Night! —sick fuck |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 12:13 AM I'm only reiterating what is found in the literature. My source is the "Current Treatment Options in Neurology" journal (January 2002). It's understandable that you are unwilling to seek out different treatment options. PPM —Passionate, Passionate Man |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 1:46 AM Mmmmmm...sex, drugs...all that's missing is the rock 'n' roll. Sick Fuck, you are one sick puppy...and Pan Pan LIKES IT! I don't know if your earlier talk was just bluster, but Pan Pan would like to get in on that rough-trade fucking you keep threatening people with. Can you only get it up for people who make you angry? Do we need to role-play first? I have an idea: I'll be the dimwitted saucy brat, you be the put-upon genius schoolmaster who's finally had all he can stand. Just to start things off, and get you to "rise" to the occasion, I'll tell you I flunked out of junior college and am working the Fry-o-lator at Burger King. Hmmmm? Ooooo, the naughtiness of it all. Delicious! —Pan Pan |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 9:20 AM Adam was spouting his fair share of bull shit, though. "If you give a ten-year-old girl vicodin and take her off it, the next week, she's GOING to want more..." He pulled that straight out of his ass, that's not even true... —Thomas/Frope |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 11:24 AM Pan Pan, you are a national treasure! On behalf of all GLBTs, I thank you for being who you are. —Saffeau |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 12:50 PM
Edited Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 1:22 PM why does every care so much about sick fuck doing opium? lets hope he overdoses and ends up in a wheelchair drooling all over himself. —superhew |
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Monday, May 17, 2004 at 5:34 AM I was on Vicodin a while ago after a car accident, that shit didn't make me feel good, made my whole body hurt especially my A-Hole for some reason, I can't see why it's so popular. —sneedo |
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