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Monday, May 10, 2004 at 6:43 PM
Edited Monday, May 10, 2004 at 7:35 PM I know this is off-topic but it is Adam's favorite to watch other than porn. Amber got hotter and hotter as the days passed? Everyone else withered but she was more radiant and stunning at the end. Then after the gap between the last tribal council and the final tally/reunion she looked kind of cheap. You get used to the natural/no make-up look and after they are voted off and come back on the jury the women have to lay on the make-up. But the lighting at Madison Square Garden made her look ugly. It was horror movie lighting from too low of a position. They needed fill lights. It's wierd they would have all of this out on some barren island yet not bother on a soundstage in NY City. I figured she would win. Rob didn't have a chance unless Jenna had won immunity and voted Amber off. The asian chick, Sheeann, said she would have changed her vote to Rob. Only then would he have won. If Rupert made it to that stamina challenge and won immunity he may have won for pissing the least people off. What a move, Rob asking Amber to marry him. He knew she would win the million. I think they love each other but Rob cannot be trusted. When things mellow out between them she will be vulnerable to all of that smugly cold and calculated manipulation he demonstrated during the game. 
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Monday, May 10, 2004 at 8:38 PM rob, too, looked better on the island. they looked like some white trash mofos at the reunion. when rob talked out of the chubby face, he didnt seem as charismatic as when he was on the island. i realize lex, alicia, and tom were sour grapes, but since shiiann knows its a game and respects game players, i dont know why she voted for amber. amber couldnt even make the decision of who she was giving the car to without immediately asking for rob's advice. dont be stupid, stupid! —everybody has warts |
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Monday, May 10, 2004 at 8:41 PM lol i only saw a part of that show, and i have to agree with you. they did look like white trash. but isnt that the kind of person who would want to be on survivor? make yourself miserable, and have it shown all over the world, for the chance to win a million dollars? sounds like white trash to me. —superhew |
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 3:07 AM
Edited Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 3:12 AM I think Shiiann believed Amber was more proactive in a similar way that Shiiann believed she (Shiiann) was better at strategizing and game playing than she actually was. All the "She-devil has something up her sleeve" posturing she did speaking of herself in the third-person ended up being pretty lame when you saw her trying to work people. A couple people thought Amber was just playing Rob. Non-stop you saw and heard Rob displaying his ability to perceive and work almost every situation to his advantage. At the final reunion Shiiann did a tactful job of laying out some truth about how Tom had in fact been involved in talks to vote Rob off. She was more petty on the island. A lot of those people could not let go of their resentment. The only way to win Survivor is to deceive at some point. They have no business signing up if they don't realize it. I think Jenna was carried along by being faithful to Rob and Amber and she seems to have been the only one they did not deceive. Rupert accused Jenna of being "greedy" when she voted him off instead of risking a tiebreaker. She did not owe him that gifted extra chance. He had plenty of opportunity to advance on his own in the immunity challenges. She made third fair and square. Why should Jenna turn around and offer him an extra chance to take her position? —Adam's Crows |
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 8:28 AM I love playing the Survivor What If game... If Jenna would have forced a rock picking, there was a chance of Rob being kicked off. With Rob off, she would have increased her chances of getting in the final two. The only way she would not be in the final two was if Amber won the challenge. Given that Amber is a dumb chick who was tricked into failing the final challenge, I doubt Amber would win the challenge. This is the first season I've watched of Survivor. Not seeing the other seasons, this season didn't seem like a strong strategy season. Amber and Rob's strategy wasn't brilliant or even particularly good, but everyone with brains got kicked off early on and the leftovers couldn't get their shit together to take down Rob and Amber. I blame Lex for fucking everything up. —gaelenh |
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 11:21 AM I never watched survivor, but the chick in that picture is smokin' —Wugie |
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 11:52 AM gaelenh: I think their strategy was brilliant AND good. You can't really argue with success. Early on, they set up an alliance of two (themselves), an alliance of three (themselves and Big Tom), and an alliance of four (themselves and Rupert and Jenna). Everyone pretty much knew that the two of them were together to the end, but the genius of their plan was that both of their alliances thought they were the real deal, and thus they ultimately ended up with an alliance of five (themselves, Rupert, Jenna, and Tom). With five you can pretty much control the action the whole way, which they did. Of course, this all depends on them getting to the final five, which means they have to win enough challenges to lower the numbers of the other tribe. The only thing that could have went wrong is a tribal reshuffling...which DID happen and really should have meant Amber was voted off. But Rob played Lex, who made a mistake, and the five were back in business. To anyone who thinks their strategy wasn't good, I just point to the results. People who just tried to control the action without any real alliances (Richard) got voted out, as well as people who made deals with everyone without setting up any firm alliances (Rob C.). There may be better ways to play, but they really only had one chance to lose, and thanks to Rob's play of Lex, they dodged it. —puck71 |
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 12:31 PM It's impossible to argue that Rob + Amber's alliances and strategies didn't work, but late in the game they weren't playing with the most brilliant players. When it was down to 10, the Big Tom, Rupert and Jenna weren't playing to win; they were playing to get to last 5 and last 3. If they were playing to be the last 2 (like Rob + Amber), they would have tried to get either Rob or Amber out early on when it was 7 or 9 players. I don't even know what Alicia was thinking, but she wasn't even trying to get to the final three. Lex screwed up big time when it came to getting rid of Rob. First when he decided Ethan needed to go (could have beat Rob in challenges). Second when he voted off Jerri instead of Amber (did he forget to do the power in numbers math or what?). Third when he blew his huge lead in the immunity challenge when it was down to 10 players. —gaelenh |
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 1:06 PM jerri was probably lex's most loyal ally, but he risked that for rob. regardless of how good of friends you are, he's on the other team!! and yeah, his other big mistake was voting off colby and ethan. thus making him the lone threat on his tribe. had he voted off the weak instead (shii and jerri or kathy) he might have been able to fly under the radar for long enough post merge to make a new alliance. because colby and ethan would have been the main targets. and another thing: ethan. i dont know why people feared him, both in africa and this time. he SUCKED at the challanges. he was arguably the reason his team lost several challanges. yet because he looks athletic, people consider him a threat. his victory in africa was more comparable to vecepia's, rather than brian's. —everybody has warts |
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 7:42 PM I have to agree that Rob and Amber were helped quite a bit by others' incompetence, but they were still pretty good on their own too. —puck71 |
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 8:25 PM
Edited Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 8:36 PM "If Jenna would have forced a rock picking, there was a chance of Rob being kicked off. With Rob off, she would have increased her chances of getting in the final two. The only way she would not be in the final two was if Amber won the challenge. Given that Amber is a dumb chick who was tricked into failing the final challenge, I doubt Amber would win the challenge." -gaelenh You seem to misunderstand the conditions at that point in the game. The only two people playing the rock tie breaker would have been Jenna and Rupert because the votes would have split -that also would have required the coordination of Rob and Amber with their votes. Remember Rob and Amber agreed to vote Rupert off when Jenna decided she wanted to vote him off. Had Jenna said she wanted to give Rupert another chance Jenna would have voted Rupert then Rob and Amber would have needed to split their votes so it would be 2 votes for Jenna and 2 votes for Rupert. Rob and Amber let Jenna decide their votes. Rob already had immunity so he was guaranteed a position in the final two (unless he voted himself out which would not likely happen). Amber was not tricked into losing the final challenge. She was ahead and Rob passed her up coming from second place.
...wait a minute, was there another challenge after the one that Rob and Amber received cars and watched the drive-in movie? If so, most of what I wrote still applies. —Cracked |
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 10:48 PM
Edited Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 10:54 PM There was a final immunity challenge after the car prize challenge where they stood on the posts. I disagree that Amber was tricked. She made the mistake losing concentration when she started to describe a potential agreement between her and Rob. She used her free hand to point to the pole and ended up touching it consequentially breaking the rule. Rob did not trick her. She did it on her own. Everything other than this is correctly outlined in Cracked's post. I don't think most players could see that Ethan was on the outside throughout this game. He is a good athlete but he rushed and made mistakes in most of this game's challenges. He could have been skipped while other players were voted off and it would not have been a threat. As mentioned he would have been vauable to balance some of the other power players even though he was not thsat effective. Perception was heping him but ended up getting him voted off too soon. He had little power of influence and alliance. —Adam's Crows |
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 11:50 PM Cracked & Adam's Crows, did you miss half of the final show? Amber won the immunity challenge with the maze to collect rungs of a ladder. THAT is the point where Jenna had to decide about voting Rupert off or taking her chances with the rock draw. Scenario: Amber and Rob would vote for Rupert. Jenna and Rupert would vote for Rob, thus creating a tie. To break a tie, they draw colored rocks out of a bag. The one picking the purple rock goes home. So Rob, in fact, DID have a chance of going home that night. My peeve from the reunion show was Jerri. How DARE she talk bad about the venue that created her career. What?! You say she already had a career and was famous before Survivor? -- Only in her mind.
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 at 11:57 PM I forgot another comment. When the jury asked questions of the final two, I kept waiting for Amber to say something intelligent to defend her position. I wanted to hear how she strategized and calculated her way to the final two, but it never came. It became obvious to me that she REALLY HAS gotten through life on her good looks. And this game was no different. —roadrage |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 12:44 AM
Edited Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 1:31 AM You're right about the sequence. I see I did not remember everything. There was something knawing at me in the back of my mind that did not make sense when I wrote my previous posts. It doesn't make Amber stupid or floating on her looks just because she did not describe that she actively strategized to win. She filled an open opportunity to ride along not needing to do more. Had she blown it she would be guilty of something. She did nothing to jeopardize it and she won some difficult challenges so she deserves some credit. Part of winning requires that the jury vote for you. Rob was lucky he was still liked when he had actively plotted against so many. Most of those that voted for Rob were honoring their word. Those that voted for Amber were really voting against Rob and only a couple were actually voting for Amber. —Adam's Crows |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 4:28 AM when paschal was voted off via purple rock, it was between all three people who didnt have immunity. probst said, either break the tie or all three of you are vulnerable... —everybody has warts |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 8:02 AM everybody has warts is right - I didn't see the other time when rocks were used, but from what Jenna was saying, it was either she vote for Rupert and vote him off 3-1, or it would go to all three of them (Rob, Jenna, and Rupert) picking a rock - regardless how many votes they had. But wasn't there a first tiebreaker about how many votes they'd had cast against them? Or do they only use that earlier in the game? —puck71 |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 4:46 PM I personsally think Shii-ann's a Bitch and I can't stan "Boston" Robs accent. Does anyone know where Survivor 9 will be held? —Adam is God |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 7:24 PM
Edited Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 7:27 PM "Cracked & Adam's Crows, did you miss half of the final show?" I forgot that one :-( Survivor 9 will not be announced until the second million give-away show Thursday night. If all three had to pull a rock Rob would have been more involved in persuading Jenna to vote Rupert off. He and Amber told Jenna she could decide and she did not even have to share her plan with them if she did not want to. It makes no sense if Rob would be vulnerable to pulling a rock. BTW Amber and Rob are also eligible to win the second million if enough people vote for them. I'd like to see Rob get it so the money is even. This way he is in a weaker position and their relationship will suffer. He was the power, brains and security to Amber. It would have been better for them if he won the million and Amber came in second place. If not Rob then Rudy. Everyone else either already won a million their first round or is a desperate prick or cunt.
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 7:38 PM I think Rupert is pretty much locked into winning the 2nd million, simply based on his overwhelming popularity. As for the tiebreaker, the stone tiebreaker in the past DEFINITELY involved everyone other than the person with immunity. So if they used the same format as they did then, Rob would definitely have had a chance to go home. However, there's no guarantee they would have used that as a tiebreaker. They've changed tiebreakers before with no warning. —puck71 |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 8:30 PM
Edited Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 8:32 PM If that is the case (I skipped most of the previous Survivor shows since watching the first one) it is very strange that Rob and Amber encouraged Jenna to decide on her own. Rupert does seem to be the most popular. Rudy was also but he did not last very long this time and people forget quickly. Had he lasted longer it would have renewed interest in him. Either Jenna might get sympathy Playboy Jenna for losing her mother and single mom (not anymore) Jenna for being a single mom and making it to third place. Single mom Jenna was a bit annoying with the mouth running all of the time but it was not shown on camera as much as it was just talked about. I did not know who that blonde was at the reunion show until she openned her mouth. She was the most desperate to make it in Hollywood or some form of media out of the first Survivor. She is geared to make a good stab this time it seems. —Cracked |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 8:32 PM Is this how you people spend your time, watching dumb trashy exploitation shows like Survivor? That seems about par for the course here. —sick fuck |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 8:43 PM Just an hour on Thursdays. —Cracked |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 8:51 PM Actually SF, I think Survivor is like a study of human behavior. The way the tribes stick together even though they may not like each other. The way most of the tribe ends up looking up to an alpha-type person. The way some people are shunned or "ganged up" against. Stuff like that.
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 8:52 PM
Edited Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 8:58 PM Yeah, I know. That liberal Kevin Drum likes it for the same reasons. Doesn't really tell us what we didn't know already, if you've been to junior high school in this country. Well, I'd like to stay here and tell you more stuff that you need to know, but my Mom says it's time for bed. See ya. —sick fuck |
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:35 PM
Edited Wednesday, May 12, 2004 at 11:37 PM Rob being in second place for Survivor Allstars won $200,000 instead of the usual $100,000. That helps even things out some. Amber and Rob appeared on The Tonight Show Wednesday and they said there are 2 rules in Survivor: 1. They can't share the money with other players so they have to have the money in separate accounts after they get married. 2. The other is that they cannot hit another player. They both looked more like they did on the island with this appearance. It was that poor bottom up lighting that made them look really bad at Mad. Sq Garden. —Adam's Crows |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 8:02 AM But really, you know if they really get married and live together...they'll be sharing the money in some way whether it's in separate accounts or not. That is a unique twist to the rules I just found out when I was searching around yesterday. I thought it was just that you couldn't conspire during the game to share the money, but you actually can't share it at all once you get back. (Not sure how they can stop you from withdrawing $1000 cash and giving it to a buddy...but it's at least a rule) I think there are a couple other rules, such as you can't enter the production area and you must show up for all challenges and tribal councils, but basically they let you do whatever you want. —puck71 |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 8:46 AM from Jeff Probst's appearance on loveline (abbreviated): Adam: You would assume that guys would be kicking the S out of each other, and there might be a rape or two, you know what I mean? Probst: There's only two rules - You can't hit somebody, and you can't conspire to share the money. Drew: But you can rape. You can rape, That's okay. Probst: Yeah... that appears to be okay... =D —Trainwreck jm |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 10:32 AM Yeah, he said that...but another site I found basically said they can't break U.S. law, which would obviously include rape. I'm sure Probst was kidding around a little...he really needs to come back on the show now that the season is over. —puck71 |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 1:46 PM Hmm, you really think he was kidding? He didn't say he was kidding. He said it was okay to rape on Survivor. I heard it! I don't think Jeff Probst would say that if it wasn't true. Let's say some contestant rapes someone next season: If he got charged and convicted, he could then sue Survivor, claiming that the host of the show had given the Thumbs-up to rape as being within the rules! Anyway, they break U.S. laws on Survivor all the time - Public Nudity, Vagrancy, Fishing without a license - just to name a few. You need to stop believing everything you read on the internet! —Trainwreck jm |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 7:42 PM
Edited Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 7:45 PM US law? They are never in the US. Common sense folks, local and international laws apply. They said you cannot hit another player but they did not say you could not drown one, push one off a cliff or poke one with the fishing spear. Come on. They will probably have to be careful with the way they draw money and spend it. It's possible future participation in Survivor events/promotions could be at risk if something was obviously in violation of this general rule of sharing winnings. It is obviously designed to discourage conspiring between participants. —Cracked |
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Friday, May 14, 2004 at 6:58 AM I'm just reporting what I saw on another site. I don't think there's an official CBS rules site, but it seems like there must be more than two rules. I'm imagining the contracts the people sign...there must be more than two things on there! And it doesn't really matter if they're in the US or not, CBS can still make that a rule if they want. —puck71 |
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Friday, May 14, 2004 at 9:23 PM
Edited Friday, May 14, 2004 at 9:24 PM I believe the reference to being in the US had to do with laws not rules. Rupert is a millionaire less taxes therefore a half millionaire. He's alright but I didn't see why he is so popular seeing him this season in Allstars. I only watched a couple of the season he was in first. He seems like a big sweaty skeeve the way he slobbers all over his wife. That beard must have some critters left over from his first Survivor. Poor Tom was fighting back tears just for being voted into the four finalists. What a letdown for the guy to be so surprised and close to a million then to lose and get nothing. It would have been nice if he won. I saw Lex on an advertisement on the face of a newspaper vending machine. It read something like, "Reality TV Commentator Lex... blah blah" I did not remember much about what he was plugging. I think it was the actual paper. It just shows he has a better publicist than Adam. Lex, still a nobody after two Survivors, is making some cash just posing for a picture. He ought not be complaining. Colby does a good job pitching commercials. His number went up after being voted the sexiest Survivor hunk. He can broadcast adequately and will definitely get more work now. —Adam's Crows |
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Saturday, May 15, 2004 at 12:48 PM Nice try, but rape isn't against "U.S. Law" - it's a STATE crime not a Federal Crime!!!1! (unless you rape a judge or your mailman or someone like that) It's also not illegal in a lot of the primitive places they film the show. I know for a fact that even in parts of Australia (season 2 location), it's only a misdemeanor. And in Vanuatu, where they are filming the next season, Cannibalism is still legal! Seriously, just admit you are wrong and we can move on. —Trainwreck jm |
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Saturday, May 15, 2004 at 1:16 PM how did rupert know its ok to steal the shoes? theft is illegal. (give me your motha effin shoes!) ;) i still say rape is fair game... —everybody has warts |
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Saturday, May 15, 2004 at 4:24 PM Hmm, point taken I guess. I figured rape would be included in "U.S. law" but it's not a federal law, so I'm not sure which laws they mean to include under "U.S. law" However, I think rape would certainly fall under "Act up. Any misconduct is against the rules, including but not limited to stealing or misappropriating food, harming other Survivors or crew members, and acts of violence." That turn of phrase is especially humorous considering Adam's diatribes about rape "just" being a violent crime where you cum at the end. heh —puck71 |
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Monday, May 17, 2004 at 3:51 AM English: Amber
Boston Roblish: Ambuh :-)
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