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Tuesday, March 16, 2004 at 4:35 PM the girl in the picture looks like she has downsyndrome. Junior Colleges will be around for a long time, because they make money. There are some kids who go there because they're poor and and want to work hard and eventually transfer. Theres plenty who don't. Either way, what Adam never mentions is that theres plenty of fairly affluent kids who go to four-year schools mostly because its away from their parents and they want to drink and fuck. Moreover, at most state schools, espeically for liberal arts and sciences, theres not much difference between the difficulity of a class there and an equivalent one at a community college. In fact, you can argue that you'd have a better learning experience at a junior college because you won't get stuck with some professor sitting on tenure who doesn't give a shit about teaching. In fact, you might get one of those uppity "loves to teach" types, which I've seen plenty of at community colleges. —ZT |
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Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 7:43 AM All junior colleges suck ass. Most four-year colleges suck ass. There are about 50 halfway decent colleges in the entire U.S. Most foreign colleges, except in the U.K. and Germany, really really suck ass. —Khlestakov |
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Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 3:27 PM If I didn't know any better Joe Bloggs, I'd say you went to junior college for not knowing how to do a link. And I don't know better so I decided to say it anyway. —Folgers |
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Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 3:56 PM
Edited Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 3:57 PM I just thought it was an interesting article.
But since you brought it up, here's a link for the school I currently attend:
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Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 5:33 PM Junior colleges are almost always public, meaning they they are not for profit. —Miriam |
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Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 7:33 PM I stand corrected bloggy boy, please accept my most humble apologies. —Folgers |
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Wednesday, March 17, 2004 at 8:44 PM Yep, most JCs are public...the only reason why many of them are still around is because since the end of the baby boom generation, whose last college entry year would've been 1983 is because: 1) They need a place for wanna-be basketball and baseball players to play who are too dumb and/or have a rap sheet to make it to a 4 year school. 2) The same reason why there are so many military bases in places that they don't really need them. Because it's hard to close them down because of entrenched intrests want to keep them around becuase they have jobs that support the economy and students who'll spend some money. Local gov'ts and civic groups will lobby state gov't to keep them around with public funds. I would bet that there have been fewer JC closures compared to military bases. 3) Just a guess, but it seems that high schools don't support or fund vocational programs as much as they once did back during the baby boom generation. Negotiating with teacher's unions isn't easy and because their wages keep on going up, budget for stuff like books and high-priced vocational stuff needed is compromised. Because of this, many people who wanted to get vocational training can't get it or get a quality one. JC can be good for vocational training. 4) Affluence. Parents and the gov't are able to fund lackey student's feeble future plans of going to law school or becoming a CSI even though they have no chance. In this society we have extended adolescence for those that can afford it. Schools play a part in this by no one confronting these lackey students on the real deal. Where I grew up the state had a generous loan program that allowed any nitwit with a diploma to get a yearly $5,000 loan and apply it to ANY accredited school, be it JC, CC, or vocational. Plus, I heard that in a lot of colleges and universities a majority of the classes in the math department are for remedial courses. (Calculus is considered to be a class for freshmen) —GDG |
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Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 12:15 PM ZT - re. "In fact, you can argue that you'd have a better learning experience at a junior college because you won't get stuck with some professor sitting on tenure who doesn't give a shit about teaching. In fact, you might get one of those uppity "loves to teach" types, which I've seen plenty of at community colleges." On what are you basing the 'sitting on tenure' claim? How about the highly intensive and competitive tenure processed that weed out lesser professors (who often go to teach a CCs)? While its true that once you receive tenure, you have better job security - I haven't seen evidence of any corresponding decrease in effectiveness. Furthermore, there is room for professional growth within departments that provides incentives for high achievement. —jak |
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Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 3:56 PM ZT is completely correct. I went to a “junior college” and then transferred to a four year university. You have good and bad professors in both cases. I don’t think ZT was necessarily saying that professors at the university are worse because they have tenure (professors at my “junior college” had tenure too), I think he was pointing out the fallacy of thinking that just because a professor is at a four year university, they are automatically better than their “junior college” counterparts. At a community college, or at least the one I went to, you have a PhD or a Masters level person teaching a class of roughly 30 people. That type of small class size gives you more interaction with the professor, and the ability to ask questions and get into discussions. The difference at the four year university is, you have a PhD teaching three times a week to a lecture class of around 200-300 people. The ability to ask questions in this type of environment is limited, to say the least. The sections are taught by TA’s and Graduate students, whose classes usually don’t have anything to do with what’s going on in the lecture, or what you will be tested on. There are some extremely good Graduate students who teach an extremely effective class, but overall they were in the minority. While it may sometimes be true that a professor who could not get into a four-year university is forced to go teach at the community college level, it is not always true. An extremely competent Psychology Professor at my community college turned down many offers from many Universities, because he considered the community college environment more conducive to learning. For the most part a professor at a University is more concerned with research than they are with teaching. Teaching at the Undergraduate level anyway. A good researcher is not necessarily a good teacher, although being a good researcher does not preclude being a good teacher. There is a heavily competitive environment for the professors at the University level, requiring them to try and come up with the “latest” theory or research, even if it is wrong. There are a whole different set of priorities at the University level than at the community college level, and they don’t really have anything to do with being a good teacher, so to say that the community college professors are not as good as the university level ones because of the institution they are at, is a patently false statement. All of that being said, there are benefits of starting and staying at a four-year university. You have more time to suck up to professors who may be able to help your career more, with recommendations and inside knowledge of a good job, or internship. Also, the benefits of socializing at a Fraternity or Sorority should not be underestimated. While not everyone at a Fraternity is going to become a raging success, some undoubtedly are, and those are useful contacts. If you can go to a four-year university from the get-go, then do it, but not for the reasons of poor quality teachers. For the most part the socialization process is much more important than any actual learning, and who you know really counts. Of course, a person’s drive and ambition makes most of these differences irrelevant.
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Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:27 PM
Edited Thursday, March 18, 2004 at 10:49 PM a few remarks based from my experience: 1) Your academic background is judged in part on where you graduated from because the rest of the students are your competition for grades. At a place where it is competitive to get into, you can at least figure that everyone there got at least 1200 combined on their SATs. If you carry a B average there that's pretty good because nowhere wants to give out all good grades. Although that's not always true as places like Harvard have a lot of grade inflation because of politics essentially. (many going there had connections or are legacies that got them there) My first roommate's mom was a prof at a very good state uni and he said that she graduated next to last in her Harvard class with a C average in the 70s when grade standards were more strict, but she still got to a grad school with a C average because of the Harvard "competition" and the fact she was a woman with an Ivy League degree, which was nowhere as common as they are now. 2) Your acadmeic background is judged on who your professors are if you're going to grad school. From my experience, it is true that the CC and JC profs are much better teachers (I went to a CC during summers and found them to be much better teachers) If your prof is a leading reseacher in his field or is part of the Academy of Science or a Nobel prize winner, or some other prestigious position that other professors hold in high esteem, that means more if you go a good grade from them. Now that highly regarded prof may not have anything to do with your grade because a GTF or graduate assitants do the grading, but nevertheless that is the way it is. From my experience, grad students are MUCH tougher graders than profs anyways, especially compared to JC and CC profs. Profs with tenure who have to grade usually don't care about getting guff from the dean about giving out grades that are all A's and B's than compared to a non-tenured prof or a grad assistant. —GDG |
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Friday, March 19, 2004 at 4:53 AM What does GDG stand for? —ZT |
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Friday, March 19, 2004 at 12:09 PM not to turn this into a debating club.... Masteel - some good points especially re. different systems have different objectives. But you say, For the most part a professor at a University is more concerned with research than they are with teaching. I'm unsure what you're basing this on. That a professor has a research component to his or her job doesn't mean they are less focused on teaching, rather it could be argued that being intimately aware of ground breaking information in one's field improves teaching. However, it seems to me that we're approaching this from different angles that are shaping our arguments. I went to a liberal arts college. There, I said it. Now you know MY bias. —jak |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 9:44 AM
Edited Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 9:46 AM HA HA! Read GDG's post. HE WENT TO JUNIOR COLLEGE! How pathetic! (Yeah, sure, he only went to them during the summers. Right! A likely story!) And look, he even ADMITS that a "C" student from Harvard is worth an "A" student from public schools. So how much more qualified am I, who has an A-minus average? As far as I am concerned, GDG has NO credibility whatsoever. He couldn't even get into a regular four-year college as a freshman. Gosh, we're all so impressed with those impressive credentials, GDG. HA HA! —sick fuck |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 11:52 AM sick, Do you remember when a girl called in asking how to get back at a guy who stood her up (YardHouse call)? Adam said not to even call/notice him. What you're doing (besides trolling) implies your frailty. Wouldn't it be stupid to feel good about yourself by working up a superiority thing on a message board? Wouldn't it also be stupid to be so hurt by the responses you invoke on a message board? —Trig |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 1:02 PM 4 years with an a- average sure has gotten you pretty far hasnt it? your still wasting your time on a loveline forum. loveline is a show that helps people with problems, but with your amazing grades, how could you possibly have any problems? sick fuck, you should be running huge corporate operations and having your little dick sucked instead of wasting your precious time with people like me and gdg. —superhew |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 1:48 PM Just like Adam, I CARE about you two, even though I realize how far beneath me you are. You have to take a little bit of shit from me so you can receive my pearls of life-enhancing wisdom. —sick fuck |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 1:55 PM the only thing beneath you are your old sagging balls —superhew |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 1:56 PM Which are nestled in your moist, eagerly receptive mouth. Suck gently, little one, and be sure to stroke the shaft and tickle the anus. —sick fuck |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 2:04 PM yea, little boys are what you are used to, arent they sick fuck? —superhew |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 2:07 PM Yes, I am used to exploiting and using up pitiful, inferior little things like you. The fact that you would allow yourself to be treated in such a way only proves how much you DESERVE to be used and cast aside like chewing gum. Now stop talking and get back to sucking, dog. —sick fuck |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 2:11 PM Yes, I am used to exploiting and using up pitiful, inferior little things great job splooser, you just proved an interesting point. your "deep intellect" has gotten you nothing but pitiful inferior things, and you will probably live the rest of yur pathetic life with your handicap (which we all know is a mental disability) molesting little boys and giving them all herpes. great job! your an asset to society! a great spokesperson for the rest of your disgusting kind. —superhew |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 2:15 PM Go back to Logic 101, if you've ever taken it in the first place. The fact that I enjoy exploiting fools such as you does not mean that that's ALL I can get. I have many lovers/playthings to suit my many sides, some profoundly spiritual, some dark and evil. Since I am a deeply complex person, my tastes and pleasures range far and wide. Unlike your sad little soon-to-be-flunking-out-of-junior-college self! —sick fuck |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 2:24 PM your 47, but act like a child! i cant even believe they thought you mature enough to come out of the womb! your poor, poor mother, she should have had an abortion. my tastes and pleasures range far and wide your tastes range far and wide, does this mean you do both your dead mom AND dad's corpses? —superhew |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 2:28 PM Little One, your inept attempts at comeback are so ridiculous they're amusing. More, more! —sick fuck |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 2:35 PM well, youve got me. i have to go now, because i have a life i need to go live. with the extra time your brain has not doing anything, maybe i might suggest trying to think about why your trying to advertise your stupidity on the internet? have a nice life, although we are all hoping it be a short one. —superhew |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 2:39 PM At long last, something resembling a barb. There's hope for you yet, Little One. Now you have to learn the difference between the second-person possessive pronoun and the contraction of "you are". Don't give up. You are demonstrating slight but genuine improvement. —sick fuck |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 7:55 PM "sick fuck" is a fraud. Only an uneducated idiot would get into all of these tit-for-tat squabbles with people on an internet forum. Clearly this guy isn't showing any refinement consistent with his proclaimed background. Perhaps the head injury is real and caused him to regress to pre-high school mentality. —Cracked |
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 at 8:17 PM Au contraire, mon ami. It's like exercising your muscles. A great athlete is always testing himself and dominating any nearby competitors. Same with a great intellect. Use any opportunity to keep the mental muscles and the attitude pumped. —sick fuck |
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